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#1 Mar-11-2020 08:48:am

Kavik
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Naming Convention Help

Hello,

I've been asked to try and render a few phrases into NU, but in this case I have no clue how to put the words together so they make sense.

The first is "Bearded Hunter:, of perhaps "Hunter with a beard"

The second if "Guide who talks loud", or "Guide with a loud voice"

In NU I know beard is "wuttoney", and I think "he has a beard" is something like "tuneye" (?). Hunter is "elanuit".

Would the best way be something like "hunter WITH a beard"? Not sure if that would invoilve a preposition (with) or the use of the locative case for 'beard'.

Not sure there's a more clearer way of rendering it - more along the lines of "bearded" as a descriptive adjective.

Sort of the same with the second one.

Amangiechsin  - he speaks loud, but there's also "machkachsin" - to speak loud
Kichklinet - Guide

So something like "he speaks loud, the guide" or "the guide, he speaks loud" ?

Any direction would be most appreciated.

Thanks very much!

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#2 Mar-11-2020 10:00:am

sschkaak
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Re: Naming Convention Help

wittoneyat elawit  =  'hunter who has a beard'

memangiechsit kichkinet  =  'guide who speaks loudly' OR machiechsit kichkinet = 'guide who speaks loudly'


[note:  machkachsin = 'red stone' (i.e., copper, brass, brick, etc.)]

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#3 Mar-11-2020 10:56:am

Kavik
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Re: Naming Convention Help

Thanks very much!

What is the grammatical breakdown of "wittoneyat" - specifically the "-at" ending??

I get the -sit ending in 'memangiechsit', but what's the 'me-' at the beginning??

If the SU spelling was used here, how might they be rendered (trying to get a better idea on pronunciation)

I obviously got the wrong word in 'machkachsin'!

Thanks!

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#4 Mar-11-2020 01:48:pm

sschkaak
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Re: Naming Convention Help

Kavik wrote:

What is the grammatical breakdown of "wittoneyat" - specifically the "-at" ending??

wittoneya- ['has a beard'] + -t ['he who']

I get the -sit ending in 'memangiechsit', but what's the 'me-' at the beginning??

The root, amang- ('big'] was originally mamang-.  This is restored in participles and takes initial change where the first short a becomes long e.

If the SU spelling was used here, how might they be rendered (trying to get a better idea on pronunciation)

witonayat elawit   /   memangixsit kìhkinèt OR maxixsit kìhkinèt   {note:  The forum will not allow me to write a short a in the SU fashion - accent grave over the a.  The short a's are here written in bold type.

I obviously got the wrong word in 'machkachsin'!

Indubitably!

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#5 Mar-11-2020 02:29:pm

Kavik
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Re: Naming Convention Help

Thanks very much for the explanation.

The final -t (one who) I guess I'm used to seeing it with an 'i' before it - makes complete sense now.

Never would have guessed that with 'memang'

Thanks again for your help!

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#6 Mar-11-2020 03:20:pm

sschkaak
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Re: Naming Convention Help

Yuh!

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