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#51 Nov-07-2018 01:36:pm

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Re: DNA tests

The problem with German Dziebel (whom you cite in a link, above) is that what he writes is HYPOTHETICAL.  That is, nothing more than his personal speculations.  DNA studies exhibit scientific FACTS.  And, even if some people from North America migrated to Siberia many, many, many thousands of years ago (as Dziebel believes), and spread some of their DNA around (Q is an extremely small haplogroup in Europe), that doesn't make Europeans American Indians!  By now, such Europeans might be 1/10,000 (one / ten-thousandth) Indian; or 1 part Indian and 9,999 parts non-Indian.  He also has to explain why there are no mtDNA haplotypes from the Indian female lines in Europe.  Of course, some modern American Indians have gone to Europe and fathered or have given birth to children with European spouses.  But, this is hardly what he's talking about.

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#52 Nov-11-2018 12:56:pm

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Re: DNA tests

Confused by different dna clad demarcation yet puts up a response anyway. Ignores all valid discussion.
Strawman.
Boring
Quick go edit a wiki page to make you appear right.
Yawn


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#53 Nov-11-2018 02:46:pm

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#54 Nov-11-2018 03:07:pm

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#55 Nov-11-2018 03:45:pm

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Re: DNA tests

NeoPaleo:

You and every person here and elsewhere are absolutely free to believe ANYTHING you like.  Maybe, you're right.  I don't think so and give my reasons for what I think I know about DNA.  Those who want to believe you are free to do so and can speak up anytime they want to.  If you want to take offence every time I disagree with you and act like I'm attacking you, personally, there isn't much I can do about that.  I've posted enough on this topic.  I rest my case.

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#56 Nov-13-2018 06:07:pm

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NeoPaleo wrote:  "Quick go edit a wiki page to make you appear right."

First of all, Europedia is not a "wiki page."  Second, I am not a member and not capable of editing their content.  Unlike some who read here, I'm in the habit of correcting my mistakes--not perpetuating them.  That the R Y-DNA haplogroup descends from P, and NOT from Q, is on every haplogroup tree produced by actual specialists in the field of DNA, as opposed to dilettanti, like Forbes and Dziebel, who make wild assumptions based on sketchy information and incomplete knowledge.  The R from Q hypothesis falls under the weight of scientific analysis.  Should that analysis change, I'll be the first to acknowledge it.

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#57 Feb-11-2019 06:58:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

NeoPaleo wrote:  "Quick go edit a wiki page to make you appear right."

First of all, Europedia is not a "wiki page."  Second, I am not a member and not capable of editing their content.  Unlike some who read here, I'm in the habit of correcting my mistakes--not perpetuating them.  That the R Y-DNA haplogroup descends from P, and NOT from Q, is on every haplogroup tree produced by actual specialists in the field of DNA, as opposed to dilettanti, like Forbes and Dziebel, who make wild assumptions based on sketchy information and incomplete knowledge.  The R from Q hypothesis falls under the weight of scientific analysis.  Should that analysis change, I'll be the first to acknowledge it.

Jack Forbes is a well respected author who’s footnotes leave nothing to be unturned. If you had actually read or knew of him you could only take notice.
German D, is a genetic scientist.
If you’re going to attack the message and messenger and can’t even acknowledge your own lack of intellectual honesty. What’s a guy to do.
When you show zero confidence in actually reading the material I’ve provided and yet are critical of it. Sorry you missed debate club. Have a great day.


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#58 Feb-11-2019 09:22:pm

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roll  Just what is it you want us all to believe?  That Europeans are American Indians?  If that's not it, then what is it?

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#59 Apr-07-2019 03:39:pm

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tk wrote:

sschkaak wrote:

Ethnicity (Scottish, Swedish, Italian, Yoruba, Japanese, etc.) is still difficult to decipher, perfectly.  Race (White, Black, East Asian, American Indian) is not.:

UImmm.

I'm a professor of Anthropology (retired). I have taught both Cultural and Physical/Biological Anthropology, most recently at Seton Hall. The former dealing with the concept of "culture' and "ethnicity",  the latter  with "race". Neither should be approached as "easy" or "not." Both are highly complex issues, and *both* are cultural constructs.

Please note: skin color is NOT RACE.

tk

Skin color is also not static.


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#60 Apr-07-2019 03:58:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

roll  Just what is it you want us all to believe?  That Europeans are American Indians?  If that's not it, then what is it?

http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.o … t-of-asia/


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#61 Apr-08-2019 10:48:am

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Instead of making us wade through this entire thing, could you please quote (or copy and paste) what you believe to be the salient points in this article?  Indians, in this country, who take the commercial DNA tests ALWAYS get results that show their Indian ancestry.  People who do not get such a result either have no Indian ancestry or, if they do, it is too many generations back to show up on a DNA test.  In the latter case, they can still claim Indian ancestry if traditional genealogical research shows evidence that they do.  There are recognized Indian tribes that have a lineage-based membership requirement (e.g., Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and Delaware Tribe of Indians) which have many members who meet only this criterion.  That is, records show that they have Indian ancestors, even though a DNA test would not show that.  What Europeans with no ancestral roots in the Western Hemisphere show levels of Indian DNA above the statistical noise level (about 3%)?

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