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#26 Aug-06-2016 08:37:pm

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Re: DNA tests

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TB:  Instead of posting, at your site, that lame youtube video on why someone's Native American ancestry might not show up on a DNA test, just take the test.  If you're "at least 3/8" Indian, as you professed to be, on this forum, that's "at least" 37.5% Native American.  There is nothing in this video which explains away that giant percentage of one's DNA!  All this guy did was show what anyone should be able to figure out, themselves:  If the last full-blood Indian in your background is a great-great-great-grandparent, then your genetic inheritance from that person is 3.125%--which is hardly indistinguishable from statistical uncertainty for these tests.

Simple math. big_smile

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#27 Aug-16-2016 09:35:pm

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The Family Tree DNA "Family Finder" test is now on sale, at its lowest price ever:  $69.  I urge all--but especially undocumented claimants--to take this autosomal DNA test which has the myOrigins component showing racial (biogeographical) ancestry.  Let us know the results!

https://www.familytreedna.com/family-fi … mpare.aspx

I wish I had the $69. I'd run my brother's dna through Family Finder.

I matched an Irishman, that I thought I matched through my Dad's side. One of my Paternal G. Grandfather's descendants married a person with same last name, but nope, it's way farther back than that, & unknown if my Paternal or Maternal side of the family.

It's really interesting, because his family came from this area.

This book about the area is really interesting. Check it out! smiletonguecool

Accomack of earlier Jamestown VA

Full text of "Ye kingdome of Accawmacke, or, The Eastern Shore of Virginia in the seventeenth century"
See other formats


https://archive.org/stream/yekingdomeof … e_djvu.txt


edit to  add I thought I matched him on my Newcomb side, and by coincidence he and his half brother do have Newcomb matches. He has 22 matches with people that have Newcomb in their trees for the autosomal test at Ancestry. His  half brother has 14. We have the same mother. He thinks we match through his Mother, but unknown how. I match both him and his half brother.

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#28 Aug-26-2016 04:38:pm

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Re: DNA tests

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#29 Jun-11-2017 11:51:am

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Re: DNA tests

sschkaak wrote:

The Family Tree DNA "Family Finder" test is now on sale, at its lowest price ever:  $69.  I urge all--but especially undocumented claimants--to take this autosomal DNA test which has the myOrigins component showing racial (biogeographical) ancestry.  Let us know the results!

Any results to report, yet?

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#30 Nov-24-2017 11:27:am

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Today through Noveember 27th:  $49 for Family Fiinder test.  www.ftdna.com .

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#31 Mar-21-2018 08:38:pm

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Omg, you guys are drinking the koolaide. I've dove deep into the DNA thing.
My Mtdna is a rare J clad, where found? Yakuts in Siberia since they don't yet have the savy to keep their info private. Where else is it known? Moqui land in the four corners area of good ol USA. Strong tribes have sovereignty and control over their information of course.
Then it comes down to YDNA, R1B which someone decided is Irish. Who decides that?
When R1b testers in Ireland show a good signal for Native American. It's true, this is not a conspiracy just plain lies.
They don't even mention that R1b exists in a substantial way in many tribes on both sides of the Canada border.
Well because Columbus, even though he witnessed Indians washing up In Ireland !
So out of all the tribes listed having a high percentage of R1b, guess what? Metis isn't one of them.
Out of all the different nations who contributed to the fur trade only one YDNA clad is present and now it's Irish?
And the clamor in Ireland is so loud that the Irish government got involved to test everyone. But guess what AGAIN,
Northern Ireland isn't talking about it. I guess the Red Paint People's got around didn't they.
I wish I were white or black because being red in this country really sucks since our new leader.
Maybe someday I'll have my own website where I can state the data I'm looking at is a fact.
Or just blindly follow someone's else's.

What DNA testing leads to is more testing, it's a fools folly this early in the game. Especially considering the above.
It's like a monkey pissing into a cash register, it runs into money.
I've got two tests I'm giving away to the next white people that want them, it's their privledge right?

Saw a nice documentary about the first black baseball player. I absolutely loved looking at his wife and seeing all that Indian under the black culture.
And the pbs station stepped very gently on the use of many racist words, considering the context I think it was important to see just how far black America has come.
I wish the same for red America someday, maybe after all the natives rights have been stripped we can be seen as equals.
But then today, on a kid show, Dinosaur Train a science show! The topic was about adapting to drought, and a little kid dinosaur kept talking about rain dances. Since I come directly from a culture that did that well.
There is a long way to go.

My Grandmother was a hostile, I guess I'm an undocumented uppity redskin.

They say there only 5 Mtdna clads as Native American.
I've got a paper trail and come from the most studied and isolated tribe in the USA.
It's really easy to spot bias in favor of the white guys.


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#32 Mar-21-2018 08:50:pm

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#33 Mar-22-2018 11:43:am

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You've got to forget about Y-DNA and mtDNA.  If you are R1b, all it shows is that you had one European male ancestor--ON YOUR DIRECT MALE LINE--in any generation from your father on back to the first R1b man, several thousand years ago.  All the rest of your male forbears--IN THAT DIRECT LINE--could be one-half, three-quarters, seven-eighths, and up to 99/100 and higher Indian BQ; but, they would ALL be R1b.  And, this same thing holds true for your mtDNA group--ON YOUR DIRECT FEMALE LINE.  If one Yakut female shows up ANYWHERE on this line, ALL the females after her--IN THAT DIRECT FEMALE LINE--will show up as J.

Your characterization of R1b as just "Irish," is ridiculous.  Join the Rootsweb-DNA List and learn a lot more about DNA than you know, right now.  I'm R1b and my direct male line goes back to Germany.

Only an autosomal DNA test will give you a very accurate picture of your RACIAL background (Black; White; East Asian; American Indian.  It has never been as accurate with ETHNIC background.  You need to take the FTDNA Family Finder test to see what your results are for RACE (Biogeographical Ancestry, for those who prefer euphemisms.)  Like I said before, I know Indians who have taken this test and they always show up as American Indians.  Not always as full-bloods, but always with a measureable percentage--normally, a high one.

Good luck!  Let us know your results.  I think you'll be happy with them.  (At least, "happier.")

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#34 Mar-22-2018 11:52:am

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Let me state this another way:  Everyone has 512 seventh great-grandparents.  Of those, 510 could be American Indians; but, if just the two seventh great-grandparents ON THE DIRECT MALE AND FEMALE LINES are non-Indians, and everyone in succeeding generations is an Indian, such a person's Y-DNA and mtDNA groups will show up as non-Indian.  HOWEVER, on the autosomal DNA test, such a person would show up as more than 90% American Indian.

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#35 Apr-14-2018 02:57:pm

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Jack Forbes wrote an excellent book called " The American Discovery of Europe" highly recommend.


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#36 Apr-15-2018 09:26:am

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Jack Forbes wrote an excellent book called " The American Discovery of Europe" highly recommend.

In what way is this an excellent book?  And, how is it relevant to DNA--the subject of this thread?

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#37 Jun-21-2018 04:33:pm

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Hey guys, hows it going? tongue

DNA testing is superfantastic!

After years of searching and chasing rabbit holes, I'd say I found a first or second cousin DNA match to my Great Grandfather, and I know in one or two generations who my Great Grandfather's  Father is!

and just totally not what I expected!



U.S., Native American Citizens and Freedmen of Five Civilized Tribes, 1895-1914 Cherokee rolls
May 6, 1903 Oklahoma
Name: xxxx x Welch , he is 1/4,  roll number- xxxx

I don't know why my Great Grandfather changed his name, but he did!

From Welch/Welsh to "Newcomb".

many thanks to sschkaak and others who helped me search long ago, on another forum!

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#38 Jun-22-2018 06:50:am

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That's great, Chevy!

I'm still figuring this all out. smile

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#39 Aug-03-2018 12:14:pm

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Re: DNA tests

sschkaak wrote:

NeoPaleo wrote:

Jack Forbes wrote an excellent book called " The American Discovery of Europe" highly recommend.

In what way is this an excellent book?  And, how is it relevant to DNA--the subject of this thread?

Jack Forbes rethought the land bridge idea and presents evidence for the same, which if considered changes The routes of migration for pre-historical peoples. Which Overturns the evolutionary understanding of dna science and exposes many inconsistencies.


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#40 Aug-03-2018 01:08:pm

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Somehow, I doubt that.  For one thing, Jack Forbes died before many of the recent advances in DNA science had been made.  I mistrust anything Forbes wrote, anyway, since he claimed an Indian ancestry for which he never provided a shred of evidence and said that a 350 year old Lenape vocabulary was a Powhatan vocabulary.  His track record doesn't instill much confidence in his accuracy.

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#41 Aug-16-2018 05:27:pm

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tree hugger wrote:

That's great, Chevy!

I'm still figuring this all out. smile

I found the most DNA  matches TO Welsh / Welch family members, with Family Finder on FTDNA, but I also did the Ancestry DNA and found more.

I also found one on gedmatch dot com. To an enrolled Seminole in Tulsa. We are only four generations apart, i.e. share a Great, Great Grandfather, but he was born out of wedlock, and doesn't know who his father is. He also matches my Welsh cousin. and he matches another man who I match through the Griffith family, who is also related to the Welsh family.

Then I match another enrolled Cherokee, Welch, i.e. Eastern Band ancestors. on ancestry.

My Welsh cousin sent me the money to have the Eastern Band search all their rolls, so will see if there is anyone who could be my G. G. Grandfather on their rolls.


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#42 Nov-03-2018 11:08:am

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sschkaak wrote:

Somehow, I doubt that.  For one thing, Jack Forbes died before many of the recent advances in DNA science had been made.  I mistrust anything Forbes wrote, anyway, since he claimed an Indian ancestry for which he never provided a shred of evidence and said that a 350 year old Lenape vocabulary was a Powhatan vocabulary.  His track record doesn't instill much confidence in his accuracy.

Ironically the DNA evidence points to Out of The Americas to Europe.
It also shows that Native Europeans have 10% Native American DNA.
To illustrate the point.


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#43 Nov-03-2018 11:16:am

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sschkaak wrote:

You've got to forget about Y-DNA and mtDNA.  If you are R1b, all it shows is that you had one European male ancestor--ON YOUR DIRECT MALE LINE--in any generation from your father on back to the first R1b man, several thousand years ago.  All the rest of your male forbears--IN THAT DIRECT LINE--could be one-half, three-quarters, seven-eighths, and up to 99/100 and higher Indian BQ; but, they would ALL be R1b.  And, this same thing holds true for your mtDNA group--ON YOUR DIRECT FEMALE LINE.  If one Yakut female shows up ANYWHERE on this line, ALL the females after her--IN THAT DIRECT FEMALE LINE--will show up as J.

Your characterization of R1b as just "Irish," is ridiculous.  Join the Rootsweb-DNA List and learn a lot more about DNA than you know, right now.  I'm R1b and my direct male line goes back to Germany.

Only an autosomal DNA test will give you a very accurate picture of your RACIAL background (Black; White; East Asian; American Indian.  It has never been as accurate with ETHNIC background.  You need to take the FTDNA Family Finder test to see what your results are for RACE (Biogeographical Ancestry, for those who prefer euphemisms.)  Like I said before, I know Indians who have taken this test and they always show up as American Indians.  Not always as full-bloods, but always with a measureable percentage--normally, a high one.

Good luck!  Let us know your results.  I think you'll be happy with them.  (At least, "happier.")

I guess I understand science better than you think I do.


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#44 Nov-03-2018 12:10:pm

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The AVERAGE European-American shows an American Indian DNA percentage of 0.18% (zero point one eight percent); and this is a HIGHER average percentage than native Europeans.  Go here: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 682264002/ and scroll down to the chart on Genetic Ancestry … - compiled from the largest such study ever made.  And, read the remarks in the article. 

Where did you get such a preposterous number as 10%?  From Jack Forbes?  0.18% = 1/555 (one/five-hundred and fifty-fifth) American Indian!  That's 554 parts non-Indian to one part Indian.

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#45 Nov-04-2018 01:42:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

The AVERAGE European-American shows an American Indian DNA percentage of 0.18% (zero point one eight percent); and this is a HIGHER average percentage than native Europeans.  Go here: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 682264002/ and scroll down to the chart on Genetic Ancestry … - compiled from the largest such study ever made.  And, read the remarks in the article. 

Where did you get such a preposterous number as 10%?  From Jack Forbes?  0.18% = 1/555 (one/five-hundred and fifty-fifth) American Indian!  That's 554 parts non-Indian to one part Indian.

I’ve posted the link already where I get my info, guys shaking up the politicization of DNA research.
You’ve had plenty of time to check it out.
I’m don’t talking to followers.


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#46 Nov-04-2018 01:49:pm

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When ancestry inc, bases your dna results on an adopted family name you’ve just wasted $89.99.

In a few years I’ll do the exact same test and use a different sur name and watch the results change again.

Cattle.


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#47 Nov-04-2018 02:51:pm

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Whatever.  DNA test results are NOT based on family surnames.  You could call yourself Napoleon Bonaparte or Mickey Mouse.  It would have absolutely NO EFFECT on the outcome of the tests.  The reason there have been very slight changes in ETHNICITY percentages (NOT RACIAL PERCENTAGES), over the years, is because reference populations for the tests continue to grow in number.  This necessitates testing companies to tweek their algorithms, every so often, to keep up with new data.  As reference populations have grown dramatically, in the past few years, test results have become more and more accurate.  It has come to the point, now, where changes in algorithms have very slight effects on test results, from an older algorithm to a newer one.  I've had autosomal DNA tests done by three companies, over the past decade, and my racial results have remained the same--allowing for the plus or minus percentage range for each test. 

Let all believe what they will.  I accept the science.

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#48 Nov-06-2018 10:46:pm

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If YDNA Q is considered Native American (it is) and R1 is considered Irish (it is) and YDNA R is downstream from Q,
(It is)
Then both http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org/sample-page/ and Jack Forbes are correct
, and well this guy too
http://patagoniamonsters.blogspot.com/2 … clock.html

You have a failed website because you shoot the messenger and just don’t want to understand the science yourself, or can’t.

I did my surname trick because I had already understood the science, while sitting on the dna kits.

I can understand why the dna websites interpret the results the way they do, America’s Tribes have sovereignty and well if it benefits other nations by not reporting that issue great.
Tourism to Europe by Americans is big business.
Do the internet a favor and kick rocks. Yours and your sister site plastic shamans is a scourge to reality and truth.

The biggest mistake modern science makes is considering tribes a pure resivoir of Native America’s DNA,  but whatever’s right?

Simply dense.
Do you need a tissue?


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#49 Nov-06-2018 10:50:pm

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I just looked, five years I’ve been registered and you really don’t want to discuss or possibly learn anything. You know it all.
My mistake is thinking bots like you actually have a brain.


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#50 Nov-07-2018 08:42:am

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Y-DNA haplogroup R does NOT descend from Q.  R and Q both descend from haplogroup P.  The fact that some Q descendants are found in parts of Europe and some in North America only shows that some Q ancestors went west, from Central Asia to Europe, while others went east from the same place, to North America.  All those who went to North America are Q1a2a1a1 and Q1a2a1b.  This type of Q does not occur in Europe.

This might help your understanding of the science:  https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml (I have quoted only a few paragraphs, below.)

Haplogroup Q is thought to have originated in Central Asia or North Asia during of shortly after the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM, 26,000 to 19,000 years ago). Q descends from haplogroup P, which is also the ancestor of haplogroups R1a and R1b. Haplogroup Q quickly split into two main branches: Q1a and Q1b. The northern Q1a tribes expanded over Siberia as the climate warmed up after the LGM. Some Q1a crossed the still frozen Bering Strait to the American continent some time between 16,500 and 13,000 years ago. Q1b tribes stayed in Central Asia and later migrated south towards the Middle East.

Siberian & Native American Q1a

Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). Modern Mongols belong to various subclades of Q1a, including by order of frequency Q1a2a1c (L330), Q1a1a1 (M120), Q1a1b (M25) and Q1a2a2 (YP4004).
Among those, the M25 subclade has been found in the North Caucasus (1000 year-old BZ640 subclade), in Poland and Hungary (1750 year-old BZ1000 subclade), in northern Ireland (YP1669 subclade), in Turkey, Iran and Pakistan (Y16840 subclade) and in Arabia (F5005 subclade).

Q1a is also the main paternal lineage of Native Americans. The testing of the genome of 12,600 year-old boy (known as Anzick-1) from Clovis culture in the USA confirmed that haplogroup Q1a2a1 (L54) was already present on the American continent before the end of the Last Glaciation. The vast maority of modern Native Americans belong to the Q1a2a1a1 (M3) subclade. As this subclade is exclusive to the American continent and the Anzick boy was negative for the M3 mutation, it is likely that M3 appeared after Q1a2a1 reached America.

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