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OK - so I've completely misplaced a bunch of grammar notes and am trying to do a quick paradigm of the possessive in SU.
As far as I know it goes like this:
My n(t)- noun - (em)
Your k(t) - noun - (em)
His/Her w - noun - (em) 'w' here may do a few funky things depending on initial letter of noun
Our (exc.) n(t) - noun - (em) - ena
Our (inc.) k(t) - noun - (em) - ena
Your k(t) - noun - (em) - ??? owa
Their w - noun - (em) - ewoo
To which one may add the plural forms to. The -em- is completely optional.
Is the above correct??
Can't remember exactly what 2nd person plural ending is.
Are there also the forms ne-, and ke- ?? If so, when are the used?
Thanks!
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I'm not sure I'm competent enough in SU to cover every possible possessive formation for nouns. Here's those I know:
my = n- in words beginning with n- (with which it merges). n- in words beginning with ch-, h-, k-, l- (sometimes), s-, sh-, t and x. nt- in words beginning with a vowel. ne- in words beginning with m- or w-. m- in words beginning with p-. nte- in some words beginning with l-. [There may be some exceptional words with different formations. At least one speaker used l- for first person with words beginning with l. Some speakers say hn- for nh-.]
your (sg.) = k- in words beginning with k- (with which it merges). k- in some words beginning with consonants. kt- in words beginning with a vowel. ke- in some words beginning with consonants. kte- in words beginning with l-.
his/her = As you write. The most important oddballs are placing the w- after the initial of nouns beginning with h- (hw-), k- (kw-), m- (mw-), p- (pw-), and x (xw-).
our (incl.) = Prefixes as with "I" above. Suffixes as you write.
our (excl.) = Prefixes as with "you (sg.)" above. Suffixes as you write.
your (pl.) = Prefixes as with "you (sg.)" above. Suffix as -uwa, usually. -ewa after -y-.
their = Prefixes as you write, but with the same varied permutations ("funky things") you cite for his/her. Suffix as -uwa, usually. -ewa after -y-.
When adding the noun plurals to these possessive plurals, use -enan-, -oo- and -eo- (I think!).
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Thanks -
I'm wondering if perhaps the 2nd person pl. in SU might be -owa instead of -uwa ('u' being usually NU) - ?
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Kavik wrote:
Thanks -
I'm wondering if perhaps the 2nd person pl. in SU might be -owa instead of -uwa ('u' being usually NU) - ?
SU, kenaxkuwa = "your (pl.) hands"
You should probably check with Jim Rementer, at the LTD e-mail address, about this. He's the SU expert. Mission Delaware (NU) is often a conglomeration of dialects and you will find both -owa and -uwa in their second person plural possessives.
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Thanks - I'll give him a shot!
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Addendum: One thing I forgot to tell you is that in SU the letter combination, -wa-, usually transforms into -o-. So, in words beginning with consonant plus -a-, where the third person w- moves after the initial letter, that -wa- changes to -o-; thus, a word like mwaxkam changes to moxkam.
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Ah...okay - I knew about that with the endings on words, but didn't realize it also applied to adding something as a 'prefix' - makes sense; same phonological environment, same change should take place.
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