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#26 Nov-27-2013 11:17:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians

Interesting. I see my Grandmother's maiden name in the muster roll for troops....1755-1764

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#27 Dec-18-2013 09:19:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians

Tonight, added Catherine Elisabeth (Milligan) Wright (1923-2003) to the list at the beginning of this topic.

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#28 Dec-19-2013 09:00:am

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Anushiik Sschkaak! Happy holidays to you and family.


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#29 Dec-19-2013 09:14:am

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Yuh!  And, season's greetings to you and yours, ramapoughnative!

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#30 Dec-24-2014 05:19:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians

People should bear in mind that if their direct ancestor is not among those shown here, but they are descended from a brother or sister of one of these people, or a sibling of the parents of these folks, then these identifications most often hold good for them, as well.

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#31 Jan-27-2015 04:46:pm

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Today, added to Message #1, Richard and Clinton DeGrote and their families, of Monroe, NY (born in NJ), listed in the 1875 New York state census as "7/8 Ind".  They were likely 3/8 or 1/2, based on other testimony given by Richard--but, part Indian, nonetheless. (The census taker was not real good at math, evidently!)

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#32 Feb-08-2015 08:33:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Ramapough Indians

Hello all smile I've recently been given my genealogy after years of asking my father for it (lol) and its left me on a journey. Allot of what I found out has come from this forum and other sites but i wanted to ask you guys for help. I was wondering if anyone knows the origin of the Van Dunks and the Dennisons? This is where my lineage stems from and im at a brick wall. I thought maybe the VanDunks were the offspring of Adriaen Van der Donck but then i found out that he had no children and now im seeing on the census posted above that Paul Van Dunk was Mohawk hmm im so confused. Any help would be highly appreciated
wanishi big_smile

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#33 Feb-08-2015 09:44:am

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I can't help, but wanted to say welcome!

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#34 Feb-08-2015 10:02:am

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Two Clouds:  Are you a descendant of Paul Van Dunk, or one of his siblings?  If not, I wouldn't be too concerned about that "Mohawk" reference.  It's possible he might have had Conklin ancestry, and one of their female ancestors is said to be Mohawk.  Or, he may have gotten that ancestry from some other direction.  In truth, the Ramapough must be mostly Lenape descendants--including the Van Dunks.

We have a member, here, who might be able to help with your Dennison family origins.  I hope so.

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#35 Feb-08-2015 10:25:am

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big_smile thank you for the welcome and response.
No I'm not from Pauls decent, from what i know Mary Ann Van Dunk b. 1800 married Moses Morris b. 1798. Marys' father was Thomas Van Dunk and it says he married a white woman. As fir the Dennison line, my ggggggrandmother was Martha (Dennison) Miller (Miller due to marriage but my genealogy doesn't state his name). It says of Marthe, "Indian Decent; Mother of Louis Miller, wasa short stout woman, copper colored complexion straight black hair. She was rrelated to the Dennisons of Suffern and Hillburn N.Y."
Her son, Louis Miller, was in the civil war also. He was a corporal in the Union Army 24th Regiment of N.Y. in 1865. I don't know if thiswill help but i ddon't know much about this type of research. I tried to look Louis up but I got confused tongue

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#36 Jul-07-2015 09:52:am

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Today, I've added John Peterson and his three children to Message #1.  John was the son of Solomon Peterson.  All four in this household are listed as "R" for "race or color."  This clearly stands for "Red"--i.e., American Indian.  They were living in Mamakating, NY, at the time of this 1900 census.  This brings the total documents in Message #1 to thirty.

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#37 Jul-07-2015 10:32:am

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Awesome. Thank you for all of your work. smile

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#38 Aug-21-2015 09:37:pm

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Two Clouds:

The Martha Dennison you listed is not one I know. The Martha Dennison that is of  this particular period was not old enough to have a child. Samuel Dennison b 1831 has a daughter named Martha Dennison who resided in Ramapo but during 1870 she was just a kid.

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#39 Aug-31-2015 08:24:am

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sschkaak wrote:

Today, I've added John Peterson and his three children to Message #1.  John was the son of Solomon Peterson.  All four in this household are listed as "R" for "race or color."  This clearly stands for "Red"--i.e., American Indian.  They were living in Mamakating, NY, at the time of this 1900 census.  This brings the total documents in Message #1 to thirty.

I wonder if this is where "Uncle" Larry Peterson's family came from. I know they came from New York because his cousin donated a family history to the NNL but I haven't looked at it in a long time. I just remember the area they came from.


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#40 Jun-14-2016 08:08:am

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sschkaak wrote:

Today, I've added John Peterson and his three children to Message #1.  John was the son of Solomon Peterson.  All four in this household are listed as "R" for "race or color."  This clearly stands for "Red"--i.e., American Indian.  They were living in Mamakating, NY, at the time of this 1900 census.  This brings the total documents in Message #1 to thirty.

Today, I added John's brother, Robert Peterson, to the original list.  He was listed as "I" (i.e., "Indian") in the 1880 federal census for Mt. Hope, Orange County, NY.

I hope to share more fascinating details about this Ramapough Indian Peterson family, soon.

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#41 Jun-14-2016 01:30:pm

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Well, here's some more about John Peterson.  This is the obituary for his son, from the Middletown (NY) Times Herald, June 9, 1938.  The second paragraph has some very interesting information about John Peterson (the father), who, as we saw, above, was listed as a "physician" in the 1900 federal census.


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#42 Jun-14-2016 02:14:pm

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And, check this out!  From the New York Times, April 18, 1910, regarding John's brother, Robert, and their father, Solomon Peterson.  "the last of his tribe" nonsense is just news reporter hyperbole, of course.  After all, the article is about his son!  And, his son had at least six children!  Their mother was Harriet Mann and their descendants are Ramapough Indians, today.


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#43 Jun-14-2016 05:19:pm

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Lost treasure stories are always fun.


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#44 Jun-14-2016 05:31:pm

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True.  But, in this instance, Ed Lenik, in his new book, Keepers of the Pass, writes:  "A so-called silver mine consisting of two vertical pits are located on the summit of Black Mountain which is situated near Silver Mine Lake in Harriman State Park, New York." (p.121)  This might explain the story.

Incidentally, I found the citations for these newspaper articles in Ed's book, page 120.

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#45 Jun-14-2016 06:26:pm

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And, with a little persistence in some old Orange County, NY newspapers, we find John Peterson's Indian name!  (Note:  A catamount usually means a mountain lion, but sometimes a lynx.  It could have been a mountain lion in 1881.)  This is from the Port Jervis Gazette, December 28, 1881, page 1.


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#46 Jun-15-2016 11:48:am

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Wow, awesome finds and great stories!

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#47 Jun-16-2016 10:25:pm

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John Peterson's Indian name, "Rolling Thunder," would probably be "Paapehtahkuw" in Munsee Delaware.

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