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#1 Feb-28-2008 11:46:pm

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Unreliable resources

Our first one is Carla Messinger. What she doesn't know she makes up. She is NOT Lenape and has no formal education on the subject of American Indians.


  http://www.lenapeprograms.info/


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#2 Feb-29-2008 08:57:pm

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Re: Unreliable resources

The "Adena Culture" came out of  the north. It was a extension of the "Glacier Kame Culture". They probably spoke Algic (Algonquian-Muskogean) and are genetically related to the Anishanaabe (Ojibway), Nanticoke, Kosati (Creek) and Natchez. They were also of  normal stature. Any website stating the Adena came from Mexico or were giants is completely wrong.


  http://www.prospector-utah.com/LAND%20OF%20GIANTS.htm


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#3 Mar-25-2008 07:49:pm

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Re: Unreliable resources

Evan Pritchard's "Native New Yorkers" is one of the most poorly researched books ever written. Here is a very good critical review of it.

     http://members.tripod.com/~Debbie_Winch … chard.html


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#4 Jun-29-2008 01:24:pm

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' We the People Called Quinnipiac'

This book is poorly researched.
The migration history of the Algonquians is completely wrong. The Algonquians originated in the North West not on the East Coast. The tribal ancestry splits cited are also wrong. There were two separate Proto-Algonquian migrations to the East Coast. The first at the Late Archaic-Early Woodland the second during the Middle Woodland.
  The Beothuks were interacting with Breton and Basque fishermen since 1450 so of course they had some European features by 1612.
  The Southern Coastal Algonquian style plantations did not exist with the Northern Coastal Agonquian. They were just small scale gardeners until contact when they began "cash cropping" to settlers.
  Although Algonquians had specific pictographs with meaning they did not have a "writing system".
  Of course it uses Evan Pritchard as a reference so nothing suprises me.

  http://acqtc.com/Culture/WtpcqRootsFamilyTree


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#5 Jul-09-2008 11:37:am

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'Folk Legacies Revisted'- by David Steven Cohen
pub. date 1995 Rutgers University Press

  This book is not an accurate history of the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, The Rampough Indians or even the Pineys.  Mr. Cohen's research hardy skims the surface of these 3 ethnic groups and it seems that his inaccurate accounts was done purposefully and with ill intent or outright laziness. Sloppy research is all I have to say.

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#6 Jul-10-2008 09:19:pm

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Delaware Indians / Lenni Lenape
Delaware Indians of Pennsylvania

    http://www.delawareindians.com/
There is too many inaccuracies to list here. The most prominate one is using David McCutchen as a history source.  The mistakes in the food section include growing tomatoes and using white cedar as a tea which is harmful to pregnant and menstrating women.


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#7 Jul-10-2008 11:32:pm

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I really have no words for this..... Wait......I do. It is the sloppiest most shallow research I have ever seen. Neither David Minderhout nor Andrea Frantz have checked the background stories on many of these people because there is a huge amount of contradictions. Especially in Bob "Red Hawk" Ruths and the Taffe brothers many imaginary tales.

  http://panativeamericans.org/invisible_indians.html

edit:  There is a Link to the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape. This is not our doing. We do not recognize the EDN or the Lenape Nation of PA. as "Indian tribes".

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#8 Jul-22-2008 04:49:pm

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Re: Unreliable resources

HE! NP,

                    I love your reviews!!!
That $100+ book about PA "Lenape":

                      I hate to seem to be "supporting" a lousy book by buying one. But sometimes you need a source to look up what you want to refute. I really can't afford  to buy that "history" of the wa_ _ab_ _ s in Easternn PA.

                       Keep up the good work of keeping track of the BAAAAAD stuff!

                                                       Love,

                                                       MaryEllen

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#9 Jul-22-2008 05:01:pm

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I trying to scam a free reviewers copy from some one. Then I'm gonna use it to line my cat box with..........


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#10 Jul-22-2008 09:29:pm

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Another "history" of the Lenape which was really poorly researched. There were no "clan mothers" among the Lenape. The clan/subtribe information is wrong. It states that the Dutch were less cruel than the Swedes which is wrong. It makes no mention of the Quakers and states the "English were the cruelest"  Also many of the "known Lenape Bands" are frauds. neutral On the 'Piney's Stoopid Level' scale this is one of the stupidest. hmm


  http://www.geocities.com/wodwrght/lenapehistory.html


edit: link no longer exists.......thank God....

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#11 Jul-22-2008 09:43:pm

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NanticokePiney wrote:

Another "history" of the Lenape which was really poorly researched. There were no "clan mothers" among the Lenape. The clan/subtribe information is wrong. It states that the Dutch were less cruel than the Swedes which is wrong. It makes no mention of the Quakers and states the "English were the cruelest"  Also many of the "known Lenape Bands" are frauds. neutral On the 'Piney's Stoopid Level' scale this is one of the stupidest. hmm


  http://www.geocities.com/wodwrght/lenapehistory.html

Ah yes the "wondering wolf", he has a "language book" out also, think ray wrote a little something about it at one time smile
He is one of Doris "Riverbird's" flunkies....roll

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#12 Jul-22-2008 09:53:pm

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lenape wrote:

Ah yes the "wondering wolf"

lol


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#13 Jul-27-2008 03:46:pm

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Hope of Israel's Algonquian History

This is some real bad history and worst linguistics. It's so bad it doesn't even make good fiction. Anybody who actually believes this needs to be commited. hmm


http://www.hope-of-israel.org/algonqun.htm


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#14 Aug-30-2008 11:52:pm

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Of Forest and River:
The Lenape of Slate Belt
by: Elinor Fehr and Donald Repsher

  I was given a copy of this tonight to "read over" and I couldn't get past their "Lenape Elders", Bob "Red Hawk" Ruth and Doris Riverbird Woman, neither of which have any credibility.  Also the out right lie that Bob "Red Hawk" was the "successor to Chief Sam Grey wolf and Chief Bill Thompson and the predecessor to Chief Chuck Gentle Moon...", Sam and his community cut their ties to the other groups, which were their own "group", totally doing their own thing.  Bob traveled around with his Drum, that was the closest he came to being anything to Sam Hannah, he for sure was NOT any successor.  This is his way of "associating himself and his group with "real Indians", also his attempt once again to "cash in" on the recognition given to Sam and his community by the PA Senate.

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#15 Sep-01-2008 09:30:pm

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lenape wrote:

Of Forest and River:
The Lenape of Slate Belt
by: Elinor Fehr and Donald Repsher

  I was given a copy of this tonight to "read over" and I couldn't get past their "Lenape Elders", Bob "Red Hawk" Ruth and Doris Riverbird Woman, neither of which have any credibility.  Also the out right lie that Bob "Red Hawk" was the "successor to Chief Sam Grey wolf and Chief Bill Thompson and the predecessor to Chief Chuck Gentle Moon...", Sam and his community cut their ties to the other groups, which were their own "group", totally doing their own thing.  Bob traveled around with his Drum, that was the closest he came to being anything to Sam Hannah, he for sure was NOT any successor.  This is his way of "associating himself and his group with "real Indians", also his attempt once again to "cash in" on the recognition given to Sam and his community by the PA Senate.

Dopy Donald Rupshter. hmm
   Somebody told me yesterday that my grandfather Wayandaga was involved with Ruth's creation. I wouldn't be surprised. neutral He was hanging around back in the day but he always claimed white.


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#16 Sep-05-2008 02:35:pm

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HE! NP,

                       I was doing some of that "looking at old messages" to  catch up with you guys:  Pritchard's Book:

                       Did you read the part about when Lenape chiefs were buried, an acorn was put in each skull so that an oak tree would grow there.

                        OK, OK, OK, i won't quote any more from that "thome" - or Ray W. will have an attack of apoplexy!!! LOL

                                      MaryEllen

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#17 Sep-05-2008 07:38:pm

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Tokipahkinao wrote:

HE! NP,

                       I was doing some of that "looking at old messages" to  catch up with you guys:  Pritchard's Book:

                       Did you read the part about when Lenape chiefs were buried, an acorn was put in each skull so that an oak tree would grow there.

                        OK, OK, OK, i won't quote any more from that "thome" - or Ray W. will have an attack of apoplexy!!! LOL

                                      MaryEllen

LMAO! lol I forgot about that.
  Yeah! Let's not mention "Evan the Healer" too much. They just found out Ray's blood pressure meds cause fungal infections.....


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#18 Sep-21-2008 09:36:pm

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This was written by someone who is completely ignorant of archaeology or history. The Talligwi are the Cherokee and the Adena and Hopewell were Algonquian.

    http://www.burlingtonnews.net/centerindians3.html


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#19 Dec-03-2008 10:46:pm

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This website is ignorance at it's highest level. It is extemely offensive to me because being Nanticoke. I have Negro blood. neutral


    http://members.tripod.com/pointingbird/ … /index.htm


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#20 Dec-12-2014 09:16:pm

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......anything published or written by Mormons.    yikes


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#21 Jan-18-2015 11:25:pm

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This is some real crap about the Adena Complex........


    http://sherrycottlegraham.com/


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