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#1 Aug-24-2014 01:21:pm

sschkaak
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William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Unless he was a re-enactor, this looks more like someone's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Art-LE … 1e8ef64d6a

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#2 Aug-24-2014 05:55:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

neutral Have to let this one sink in a bit. neutral

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#3 Aug-24-2014 09:49:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

It's a nice piece of art work. I cannot personally determine whether this implies a genealogical claim, however. The date of 1491 would place the subject beyond any living or recent person's second or third generation family lines...


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#4 Aug-24-2014 10:56:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Bock put that date on a lot of his works and correspondence.  I don't think it's relevant to the date of this picture.  However, anyone born circa 1950 is not likely to have had a great-grandfather who was born much earlier than 1860--allowing for an average of 30 years per generation.  Such a person would not have reached the age of this canoeist until circa 1890 or 1900.  Yet, this fellow is paddling a dugout canoe and is attired in a breechcloth, feather and other decorative items from the mid 1700's! 

As for whether or not it "implies a genealogical claim," it's titled, "GREAT-GRANDFATHER OF CHIEF NETAMUXWE."  That's Bock's assumed title and Lenape name.  What else could it possibly "imply"?

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#5 Aug-25-2014 09:41:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Yeah, I guess that follows. I just wondered if he didn't take his name from an alleged ancestor, as Bob Ruth is supposed to have. But then I don't know why he wouldn't have made it a portrait of his ancestor instead of the great-grandfather of his ancestor, huh?


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#6 Aug-25-2014 11:15:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Suckachsinheet wrote:

I just wondered if he didn't take his name from an alleged ancestor, as Bob Ruth is supposed to have.

No.  Nora Thompson Dean named him Netamuxwe.

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#7 Aug-26-2014 10:44:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

That's right! I recall that now...


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#8 Aug-27-2014 12:40:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Maybe his great grandfather enjoyed getting naked, dressed as a Lenape and getting his picture taken in a canoe.

He's chief of what??

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#9 Aug-27-2014 01:00:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

Bock uses what he calls "concept-realization" to depict, in his artwork, historical figures he's never seen.  I guess most of us would call it "imagination."

I forget what he was "Chief" of.  I think it was Lenape Wolf Clan Chief, but don't hold me to that.  That he thought he was Chief of something is clear by the very fact he calls himself "Chief" in this painting.

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#10 Aug-27-2014 04:56:pm

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Re: William Sauts Bock's great-grandfather?

If anyone has a copy of his original coloring book  Bock claims he has NO known Lenape ancestry in his auto-bio. hmm


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