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#1 Jan-07-2008 09:46:am

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Red men's clubs??

I was looking through some old unidentified photos online this morning. I ran across one that had in the description that they were dressed for the Red Men's Club circa. 1900. I can't find anything online, anyone ever hear of these?

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#2 Jan-07-2008 10:04:am

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Re: Red men's clubs??

It was an old fraternal lodge-type organization, like the Elks Club or Masons.

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#3 Jan-07-2008 10:10:am

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Thanks I figured it was something like that. Guess the photo would be like the Elk's club dressed as elks. hmm hmm


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#4 Jan-07-2008 10:35:am

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I believe that's right–though I never realized how far they took the "dressing-up" part!

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#5 Jan-07-2008 12:04:pm

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Re: Red men's clubs??

There was an Order of Red Men in Oxford, where I grew up. They used to rent out their hall for parties, receptions, etc. Never really knew much about them; didn't know anyone who was a member. They would dress up and march in the parades in our small town. I don't remember the women and kids being involved though, just the men. Funny, in a sad way, that I didn't see anything wrong with that when I was growing up. They looked like movie Indians, leather and feathers. I don't know if the Red Men are still around or not. Guess that's something I'm going to have to look into when I get back home.

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#6 Jan-07-2008 12:56:pm

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Re: Red men's clubs??

Did a little research and found . . .

Improved Order of Red Men
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Improved Order of Red Men is a fraternal organization established in the Baltimore, Maryland in 1834. Their rituals and regalia are modeled after those used by Native Americans.

The order itself claims direct descent from the Sons of Liberty, noting that the Sons participated in the Boston Tea Party dressed as Native Americans. Thus, they continue to dress as Native Americans and are organized into tribes and such.

Their ladies' auxiliary is the Degree of Pocahontas. They sponsor two youth organizations, the Degree of Hiawatha for boys and the Degree of Anona for girls.

Another associated group is its National Haymakers' Association.

The organization claimed a membership of about half a million in 1935, but has declined to less than 38,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improved_Order_of_Red_Men


I know, it's Wikipedia. So decided to go a little further. Visited their official website.

The Improved Order of Red Men
America's Oldest
Fraternal Organization
Chartered by Congress

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Freedom * Friendship * Charity
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Welcome.

We are a non-profit organization devoted to inspiring a greater love for the United States of America and the principles of American liberty. Along with our women's auxiliary, the Degree of Pocahontas, we support various charitable, youth, and educational programs.

The national office is currently in Waco, Texas. It shares space with the Great Council of Texas office.

The Texas Red Men Foundation, Inc. maintains the Red Men Museum and Library in the same facility. It is the national museum for the Improved Order of Red Men and contains reference materials, documents, and exhibits of historical significance. The Museum and Library is open to the public without cost. You are invited to stop by and look around if you are visiting in the area.

We hope you enjoy your visit with us here on the web and we welcome any comments or questions.

Who Are The Red Men?
The fraternity traces its origins back to 1765 and is descended from the Sons of Liberty. These patriots concealed their identities and worked "underground" to help establish freedom and liberty in the early Colonies. They patterned themselves after the great Iroquois Confederacy and its democratic governing body. Their system, with elected representatives to govern tribal councils, had been in existence for several centuries.

After the War of 1812 the name was changed to the Society of Red Men and in 1834 to the Improved Order of Red Men. They kept the customs and terminology of Native Americans as a basic part of the fraternity. Some of the words and terms may sound strange, but they soon become a familiar part of the language for every member. The Improved Order of Red Men is similar in many ways to other major fraternal organizations in the United States.

Great Chiefs

Great Council of the United States
Improved Order of Red Men
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GREAT INCOHONEE
David Wilson
Elizabeth City, North Carolina

GREAT SENIOR SAGAMORE
C. Edward Neff
Fruitland, Maryland

GREAT JUNIOR SAGAMORE
Paul A. Sadowski
Wilmington, Massachusetts

GREAT CHIEF OF RECORDS
Brad L. Buchanan
Nottingham, Pennsylvania

GREAT KEEPER OF WAMPUM
Thomas Baker
Haverhill, Massachusetts

GREAT PROPHET
David Magaha
Waynesboro, Pennsylvania

http://www.redmen.org/


and on another site . . .

A Nation of Red Men

by Kathleen O’Connor

The Improved Order of Red Men (IORM) traces it’s origin from the Sons of Liberty patriots who were active before the American Revolutionary War and are well known for their participation in the “Boston Tea Party.” The Sons of Liberty—and in turn the IORM—emulated in their organization, philosophy, and regalia the League of the Iroquois or “Six Nations.” “The crowning feature of the League [of the Iroquois], as a political structure, was the perfect independent individuality of the national sovereignties, in the midst of a central and embracing government, adequate to deal with all internal affairs and powerful enough to conquer all other Indian nations with which it came in contact.”[1] Hospitality was extremely important. The Iroquois “would surrender his dinner to feed the hungry, vacate his bed to refresh the weary, and give up his apparel to clothe the naked.”[2] Their eventual decline, however, was due primarily to the introduction of “fire-water” through the European traders.[3]

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/images/red_men_tribe_photo.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmu … ed_men.htm

Much more about their history on this link.


Like I said in my previous post, I don't know if the Red Men are still in existence back home; but if they are, I'm going to light them up.

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#7 Jan-07-2008 01:21:pm

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#8 Jan-07-2008 07:05:pm

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We had them down here too. Most were also members of the Klan. They stayed out of Gouldtown and Piercetown though and many had "hunting accidents" in Buckshutem WMA. One of them became Grand Dragon down here. He owned a resturant/ general store in Shiloh. He put a "lynch order" out on my dad for marrying my mom ( cause she was white). Mark Gould can tell you some real war stories about them.


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#9 Jan-07-2008 08:46:pm

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Wow I feel stupid, I've never heard of these people.

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#10 Jan-07-2008 10:11:pm

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Go Warren!

Seriously I'm starting to wonder if I lead a sheltered life here, the original post I made I had found from the county my mom grew up in.

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#11 Dec-14-2008 01:34:pm

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Elsie Rout Wooddy, and her sisters-in-law, Crettie Bittle Rout and Sadie Wilson Rout when they were in the Order of Pocohontas, believed to be the woman's auxiliary of the Order of the Redman.

http://www3.familyoldphotos.com/photo/p … ilson-rout

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#12 Jan-29-2011 11:01:am

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Re: Red men's clubs??

Yes: the Improved Order of the Red Man. I have an interesting story about this peculiar fraternal organization and its offshoots. Here goes.

As a child, me and my brothers knew every square foot of the hills and woods surrounding our house (we live a mile into the woods down a small, unpaved, private drive not all that far from Binghamton, NY). There was an old homestead-seeming place at the top of the hill, where a powerline eventually creeped in. There was a collapsed coral, a wind mill, a few springhouses, two buildings, and some strange stuff too. Like a massive lightening rod. I'm not kidding. One of the buildings was cracked right through the middle, and the door was gone, so we would poke in there and look at things. There was a newspaper on the floor that was dated for the exact day of the month we happened to find it, except sometime in the 40's. Eerie. Old art, broken windows, decomposing fox corpse. Real strange.
Anyways, we obviously couldn't resist the temptation any more, and peeking into the grimey windows didn't sate our curiousity any, so we busted into the main building. There were tables stacked with whacky things. Inventions, contraptions, chemicals, old 8mm film projectors, just a real hobbyshop of randomness. We spent a lot of time in there, skimming over the stuff. There were a few portraits of a man named Addison Keeler, and a ton of trophies, certificates, and books bearing his name. He had a wall full of books, and I would read some of them sitting in front of a dusty window on his small, still-made cot. Books on everything from surviving nuclear fallout to hypnotism. We looked the guy up, and it turns out he was rather well-known, and was alive at the time in a nursing home, I believe. Never contacted him (but we had a ton of his stuff! and still do to this day, actually). A building in the castle-like Binghamton hospital (now a psych-ward, I believe) complex was named after him. We reasoned that maybe he had something to due with sustainability and all that. But he was an MD, a lawyer, and a bunch of other things. Turns out he was also a huge philanthropist, and that's probably why the building bears his likeness. But who knows.
Anyways, that's the backstory. How it applies?

Among the many thiings we found was a brass tomahawk head. We knew what a functional hatchet bit looked like, and this was not one, besides it being comprised of brass. It had a really, really small eye in it, and there was a spike off the back smaller than anything should have been to serve a purpose. On one side between said spike and 'blade' was a crude chief's head holding a pipe. On the other were the letters 'TOTE'. After some investigative work, we came across the Improved Order of the Red Man, and learned as much as we could about them, much to our chagrin. Apparently, TOTE (Totemwas something of a password for these guys, and the 'tomahawk' was supposed to be a kind of gavel that only their 'sachems' could possess. They had a really screwy structure, from what I remember (apologies, I don't have the heart to go and re-investigate on the web about them), with 'Wigwams' as meeting places. Note that the terms in quotes are really not what they imply. Anywho, if I recall correctly, they played a key role in the American Revolution, and began as The Sons of Liberty, changed into the Sons of Tammany (their spelling, but the extent to which they knew or carried on Tamamend's life, I'm unaware) and eventually into the Tammany Society, and modelled their organization after the League of the Iroquois. I could be wrong about this transformation process, but it still stands that they were very similar organizations and composed of the same people and the same mock-indian rituals. I guess they were more or less a Masonic-like group that heavily influenced politics in NYC for a while. The majority of this information came from the public library, and my brother also had a few discussions with his professor, who seemed pretty learned on the matter. Her name was something Windgate, if I recall; don't know if any of you know her.

Anyways, that's my schpiel. My opinion of them is that they are, or were, a very strange sort of people.


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#13 Jan-29-2011 11:07:am

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Hrm, don't know how to edit a post, so I'll just fix it here.


Apparently, TOTE (Totem of The Eagle, eagle being representative of New York) was something of a password for these guys, and the 'tomahawk' was supposed to be a kind of gavel that only their 'sachems' could possess.


and 'coral' was supposed to be 'corral', but I think that was obvious.


"In our story of Creation, we talk about each one of us having our own path to travel, and our own gift to give and to share. You see, what we say is that the Creator gave us all special gifts; each one of us is special. And each one of us is a special gift to each other because we've got something to share."
-Slow Turtle, Wampanoag

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#14 Jan-29-2011 11:46:am

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Re: Red men's clubs??

Yikes! When I saw the photo of the man in white, my first thought was "looks like a klansman"!

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#15 Apr-22-2013 02:05:pm

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they play Bingo at the Improved Order of Redmen in baltimore maryland (in hampden). I went in there one time when i lived in baltimore. It was a mistake.

Chevy wrote:

Yikes! When I saw the photo of the man in white, my first thought was "looks like a klansman"!

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