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#1 Feb-27-2011 08:30:pm

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Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

Valerie Taliman
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Posted: April 30, 2010 11:36 AM

A groundbreaking report examining the roots of Christian domination over indigenous peoples and their lands was released this week at the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues.

North American Representative to the Permanent Forum Tonya Gonnella Frichner, an attorney and founder of the American Indian Law Alliance, presented a preliminary study on the "Doctrine of Discovery" and its historical impacts on indigenous peoples, with a focus on how it became part of United States laws.

"The first thing indigenous peoples share is the experience of having been invaded by those who treated us without compassion because they considered us to be less than human," said Frichner, a citizen of the Onondaga Nation serving her first term on the 16-member UNPFII.

"Dehumanization leads to the second thing indigenous peoples share in common: Being treated on the basis of the belief that those who invaded our territories have a right of lordship or dominance over our existence and, therefore, have the right to take, grant, and dispose of our lands, territories, and resources without our permission or consent."

Frichner said human rights violations faced by indigenous peoples can all be traced to the Doctrine of Discovery and its interpretive framework which has been used for five centuries to take Native lands.

It has also been cited in U.S. Supreme Court land claims cases decided against Indian nations, including the 1955 ruling Tee Hit Ton Indians v. United States, and the 2005 decision in City of Sherrill v. Oneida Indian Nation of New York.

The Doctrine of Discovery was among Vatican mandates dating back to the 15th century, called papal bulls, that declared Christian monarchs had the right to claim superior title over land and territories that they "discovered."

The claimed right of "dominion" over Native peoples was based on the thinking that non-Christians were "heathens and uncivilized savages," with no, or limited rights, to land.

The Vatican's Doctrine of Discovery was based on the premise that all non-Christian land belonged to no one because no Christians were living there and no Christian monarch or lord had yet claimed dominion. Once Christian monarchies like Spain or France claimed the right of dominion, that claim was transferred to political successors over centuries.

"Indian land rights have been characterized in U.S. law as nothing more than a permissive right of occupancy or permission from the whites to occupy their own Indian lands," Frichner said.

There were theologians who did not agree that Christian discovery could give dominion over and title to non-Christian lands. The issue was debated at length in the early 1550s in Spain with no input from indigenous peoples, she said.

It was a debate among Christian Europeans about whether the Indians of the Americas were human.

"Clearly, (we) have joined the debate by declaring definitively that we are human beings. However, for more than five centuries, the doctrines of discovery and dehumanization have been institutionalized, and this is the context of the work we are doing on the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples," Frichner said.

The study focused on the history of the United States, and points out that the Doctrine of Discovery had been officially incorporated into U.S. Indian policies in the 1823 Supreme Court ruling Johnson v. M'Intosh.

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall identified the royal charters of Great Britain pertaining to North America as the source of the argument that "discovery gave title" to the government by whose authority the "discovery" was made.

The royal charter issued to John Cabot in 1496 authorized Cabot and his sons to seek out "isles, countries, and regions of the heathen and infidel, which before this time have been unknown to all Christian people."

This and similar language were cited as the basis for the ruling in Johnson v. M'Intosh that the United States had the ultimate dominion over Indian peoples and lands.

Frichner said the report is a first step in investigating the global scope of the Doctrine of Discovery as a key source of violations of human rights of Native peoples.

A comprehensive study will provide the opportunity to understand that all the struggles that indigenous peoples are engaged in are rooted in "the claim by one people of a right of dominance over another."

Frichner said the discriminatory legal framework that exists today is directly tied to the Doctrine of Discovery which has resulted in the dispossession and impoverishment of indigenous peoples and unlimited resource extraction from their lands.

Kuriakose Bharanikulangara, observer for the Holy See, responded to Frichner's report by saying that the papal bulls that paved the way for European expansion had been abrogated over centuries. He insisted the Church had upheld the rights of indigenous peoples to their ancestral lands, regardless of whether the inhabitants were Christian or not.

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#2 Feb-27-2011 08:44:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

Think the U.N. will be doing similar studies on the effects of Islam, Hinduism and Confucianism on indigenous peoples, over the years?  No?  I didn't think so.  Why am I not surprised?   hmm

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#3 Feb-27-2011 09:36:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

sschkaak wrote:

Think the U.N. will be doing similar studies on the effects of Islam, Hinduism and Confucianism on indigenous peoples, over the years?  No?  I didn't think so.  Why am I not surprised?   hmm

Excellent question. I wonder which killed more indigenous people: the Doctrine of Discovery or jihad?

The Jesuits and the jihadists both used a convert-or-die strategy in establishing domination over new territories but, if it hadn't been for Charlemagne, there may not have been a Doctrine of Discovery or any Jesuits. And the recent civil wars in various parts of Africa suggest the jihadists haven't changed their strategies in over 1000 years! (the Jesuits have lightened up considerably wink)


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#4 Mar-01-2014 06:17:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

I find the xristian book a instruction manual for the human slave trade, i.e. the matrix or zeitgeist.


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#5 Mar-01-2014 06:39:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

NeoPaleo wrote:

I find the xristian book a instruction manual for the human slave trade, i.e. the matrix or zeitgeist.

Care to elaborate?

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#6 Mar-01-2014 08:27:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

NeoPaleo wrote:

I find the xristian book a instruction manual for the human slave trade, i.e. the matrix or zeitgeist.

Care to elaborate?

Grains, alcohol, submission, addiction, Stockholm syndrome.


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#7 Mar-01-2014 08:47:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

Thanks for that clarification.   neutral

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#8 Mar-01-2014 10:13:pm

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neutral

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#9 Mar-02-2014 01:34:am

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

I'm sorry, the subject leads to areas of discussion I'm not entirely sure where the lines are.
I figured the two movie references would suffice.


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#10 Mar-02-2014 07:50:am

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

I haven't seen either of those movies, so whatever their relevance is to this matter is lost on me.  (I didn't even know your words were referencing movie titles.)

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#11 Mar-06-2014 08:58:am

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http://www.generalsemantics.org/wp-cont … -whorf.pdf


linguistic relativity seems to be playing a part in my communications about the subject and because of the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

quote wikipedia;
The hypothesis of linguistic relativity has inspired many to think about how it might be possible to influence thought by consciously manipulating language. end quote

I'm sorry if i can't be clear enough, and it maybe its now strayed too far off topic or it will if I continue?


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#12 Mar-06-2014 12:45:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/ICW-158.html

Some Indians became Christians because they wanted to, and/or to better survive. & they were dedicated Christians.

Hendrick Aupaumut, a Stockbridge sachem (leader), realized the tribe needed to leave New York to evade the negative influences of settlers, and he chose to relocate the Stockbridge to Indiana near the Miami tribe. This plan was delayed by the War of 1812, during which Aupaumut served as an intermediary between the United States and Midwestern Indian tribes, the majority of which were allied to the British. Like many Stockbridge, Aupaumut was Christian and believed his tribe's best chance for survival depended on accepting Euro-American culture rather than resisting it.

Based on his Christian beliefs, Aupaumut rejected the religion of Tecumseh and his brother Tenskwatawa (also known as the Shawnee Prophet), both of whom preached resistance to American expansion and culture. He fought alongside the Americans during the American Revolution, and during the War of 1812 he attempted to convince Midwestern tribes to make peace with the United States. Aupaumut failed in this mission, and the war ended with a United States victory, paving the way for the Stockbridge removal to Indiana.

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#13 Oct-28-2014 04:45:pm

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Chevy wrote:

http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/ICW-158.html

Some Indians became Christians because they wanted to, and/or to better survive. & they were dedicated Christians.

Hendrick Aupaumut, a Stockbridge sachem (leader), realized the tribe needed to leave New York to evade the negative influences of settlers, and he chose to relocate the Stockbridge to Indiana near the Miami tribe. This plan was delayed by the War of 1812, during which Aupaumut served as an intermediary between the United States and Midwestern Indian tribes, the majority of which were allied to the British. Like many Stockbridge, Aupaumut was Christian and believed his tribe's best chance for survival depended on accepting Euro-American culture rather than resisting it.

Based on his Christian beliefs, Aupaumut rejected the religion of Tecumseh and his brother Tenskwatawa (also known as the Shawnee Prophet), both of whom preached resistance to American expansion and culture. He fought alongside the Americans during the American Revolution, and during the War of 1812 he attempted to convince Midwestern tribes to make peace with the United States. Aupaumut failed in this mission, and the war ended with a United States victory, paving the way for the Stockbridge removal to Indiana.

Yeah, I know. And now the ones that follow the old ways are either termed out or Newage frauds right? Says me, Son Of the YA-YA.


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#14 Oct-28-2014 04:54:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

I never heard of a non-Christian traditionalist who was called a "New Age Fraud" on this forum.

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#15 Oct-28-2014 06:49:pm

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NeoPaleo wrote:

Chevy wrote:

http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/ICW-158.html

Some Indians became Christians because they wanted to, and/or to better survive. & they were dedicated Christians.

Hendrick Aupaumut, a Stockbridge sachem (leader), realized the tribe needed to leave New York to evade the negative influences of settlers, and he chose to relocate the Stockbridge to Indiana near the Miami tribe. This plan was delayed by the War of 1812, during which Aupaumut served as an intermediary between the United States and Midwestern Indian tribes, the majority of which were allied to the British. Like many Stockbridge, Aupaumut was Christian and believed his tribe's best chance for survival depended on accepting Euro-American culture rather than resisting it.

Based on his Christian beliefs, Aupaumut rejected the religion of Tecumseh and his brother Tenskwatawa (also known as the Shawnee Prophet), both of whom preached resistance to American expansion and culture. He fought alongside the Americans during the American Revolution, and during the War of 1812 he attempted to convince Midwestern tribes to make peace with the United States. Aupaumut failed in this mission, and the war ended with a United States victory, paving the way for the Stockbridge removal to Indiana.

Yeah, I know. And now the ones that follow the old ways are either termed out or Newage frauds right? Says me, Son Of the YA-YA.

Uhh What??????

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#16 Oct-29-2014 05:00:am

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

Lets see..."YA YA"....I heard that used by a Washita Moor when I was down in Southwoods......hmmmmm...hmm


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#17 Oct-30-2014 03:05:pm

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tree hugger wrote:

NeoPaleo wrote:

Chevy wrote:

http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/ICW-158.html

Some Indians became Christians because they wanted to, and/or to better survive. & they were dedicated Christians.

Hendrick Aupaumut, a Stockbridge sachem (leader), realized the tribe needed to leave New York to evade the negative influences of settlers, and he chose to relocate the Stockbridge to Indiana near the Miami tribe. This plan was delayed by the War of 1812, during which Aupaumut served as an intermediary between the United States and Midwestern Indian tribes, the majority of which were allied to the British. Like many Stockbridge, Aupaumut was Christian and believed his tribe's best chance for survival depended on accepting Euro-American culture rather than resisting it.

Based on his Christian beliefs, Aupaumut rejected the religion of Tecumseh and his brother Tenskwatawa (also known as the Shawnee Prophet), both of whom preached resistance to American expansion and culture. He fought alongside the Americans during the American Revolution, and during the War of 1812 he attempted to convince Midwestern tribes to make peace with the United States. Aupaumut failed in this mission, and the war ended with a United States victory, paving the way for the Stockbridge removal to Indiana.

Yeah, I know. And now the ones that follow the old ways are either termed out or Newage frauds right? Says me, Son Of the YA-YA.

Uhh What??????

My Grandmother was of the YAYA, ya know the Hopi secret society, Ya, that one.


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#18 Oct-30-2014 03:07:pm

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NanticokePiney wrote:

Lets see..."YA YA"....I heard that used by a Washita Moor when I was down in Southwoods......hmmmmm...hmm

The YaYa of the hopi were a partitioned group inside of the hopi who were albino, who thanks to colonization by the outside forced my ancestors to alcatraz and other regions.


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#19 Oct-30-2014 03:08:pm

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Thanks for clearing that up! I hadn't heard that phrase before.

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#20 Oct-30-2014 03:08:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

That's great!  But, why didn't you open with this, instead of being so ambiguous about who you are?  It would have saved a lot of unnecessary verbiage!   neutral

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#21 Oct-30-2014 03:10:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

That's great!  But, why didn't you open with this, instead of being so ambiguous about who you are?  It would have saved a lot of unnecessary verbiage!   neutral

Exactly!

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#22 Oct-30-2014 03:38:pm

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tree hugger wrote:

sschkaak wrote:

That's great!  But, why didn't you open with this, instead of being so ambiguous about who you are?  It would have saved a lot of unnecessary verbiage!   neutral

Exactly!

Unnecessary verbiage on the internet of angry old white men looking for love or bitter enemies that they will never meet, god thats funny.


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#23 Oct-30-2014 03:42:pm

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NeoPaleo wrote:

tree hugger wrote:

sschkaak wrote:

That's great!  But, why didn't you open with this, instead of being so ambiguous about who you are?  It would have saved a lot of unnecessary verbiage!   neutral

Exactly!

Unnecessary verbiage on the internet of angry old white men looking for love or bitter enemies that they will never meet, god thats funny.

Nice.

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#24 Oct-30-2014 07:00:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

NeoPaleo wrote:

tree hugger wrote:

sschkaak wrote:

That's great!  But, why didn't you open with this, instead of being so ambiguous about who you are?  It would have saved a lot of unnecessary verbiage!   neutral

Exactly!

Unnecessary verbiage on the internet of angry old white men looking for love or bitter enemies that they will never meet, god thats funny.

Dude, TreeHugger is my wife. yikes


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#25 Oct-31-2014 05:06:pm

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Re: Christian 'Doctrine' Fueled Dehumanization: UNPFII Report

NanticokePiney wrote:

NeoPaleo wrote:

tree hugger wrote:


Exactly!

Unnecessary verbiage on the internet of angry old white men looking for love or bitter enemies that they will never meet, god thats funny.

Dude, TreeHugger is my wife. yikes

Dude, "internet" not "woodland indians dot org.

Honestly, I figured the reverse was true, really. just based on the flat perceptions given on internet forums. But thanks for clarifying.

I could get to the original question, but I hope thats been cleared up via P/M to the both of you.
YA-YA out.


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