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#26 Feb-28-2010 12:40:pm

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Yea, they can't do anything in the Cherokee Nation, so they have to go elsewhere to have a casino.

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#27 Feb-28-2010 02:50:pm

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They wouldn't be able to open a Casino in Jersey either. They have no legal claim since they left. I'm still hoping they have specific targets in mind but if not, it may make already fragile relations even more delicate..


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#28 Feb-28-2010 03:27:pm

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ramapoughnative wrote:

They wouldn't be able to open a Casino in Jersey either. They have no legal claim since they left. I'm still hoping they have specific targets in mind but if not, it may make already fragile relations even more delicate..

I didn't say Casino. There are tons of other ways to make money and have rights over others in Jersey. I know they could have cared less, up until last year, what was going on there.

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#29 Feb-28-2010 03:41:pm

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Well true. And to be honest, if they wanted limited gambling in Jersey, such as Bingo, they could get those rights like any other group because many churches already have it.  I would agree that there are many ways to make money here getting precedence over others (not necessarily over other tribes but businesses) but because there are tribes here who are already state recognized as indigenous, it would a dificult battle since they gave up their rights when they left the state. I would love to know the objective of their resolution. Since there are no state recognized tribes in Pa., it would seem they are out to keep others from gaining Federal Recognition and a "piece of the pie", whatever that is...


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#30 Feb-28-2010 03:49:pm

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ahh, yes a grab for the "frog skins"...  remember it was not so long ago that "they" would not speak out about these wanna be groups, riding the fence so to speak to see which way the wind would blow, now they fire a half hearted "buck shot" at everyone other than themselves...  wonder if they will be looking to their kin for help, again, if "the great white father" snatches their "recognition", and "frog skins", again....

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#31 Feb-28-2010 03:52:pm

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lenape wrote:

ahh, yes a grab for the "frog skins"...  remember it was not so long ago that "they" would not speak out about these wanna be groups, riding the fence so to speak to see which way the wind would blow, now they fire a half hearted "buck shot" at everyone other than themselves...  wonder if they will be looking to their kin for help, again, if "the great white father" snatches their "recognition", and "frog skins", again....

Funny part is, I still have a lot of email conversations with some of them about the real wannabe groups. Gosh they'd just look silly now wouldn't they. Well I gotta give to Holton, at least he tried for a piece of the pie by using..oops I mean working with.. some of you folks in Jersey.

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#32 Feb-28-2010 04:49:pm

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Y'all talk about the Delaware giving up their rights in New Jersey because they left. It's not like they left of their own free will; think they were helped along with that decision. Other Nations have been able to claim "historic rights" to land. Why wouldn't the Delaware be able to do that in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York?

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#33 Feb-28-2010 05:30:pm

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Y'all talk about the Delaware giving up their rights in New Jersey because they left. It's not like they left of their own free will; think they were helped along with that decision. Other Nations have been able to claim "historic rights" to land. Why wouldn't the Delaware be able to do that in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York?

I don't see where ALL of us said that. They can claim historical rights to the land. The tribes that are there now have established for them that they were there before going west. In fact, the same people they want to classify as "wannabe" are the very same ones that have helped them in the past.. in more ways than one. Strange.

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#34 Feb-28-2010 08:50:pm

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bls926 wrote:

Y'all talk about the Delaware giving up their rights in New Jersey because they left. It's not like they left of their own
free will; think they were helped along with that decision. Other Nations have been able to claim "historic rights" to land. Why wouldn't the Delaware be able to do that in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York?

Just my opinion but they did leave of their own free will. They could have stayed and fought for what was theirs. ( Like some did) Many left to get away from the encroachment of the whites. According to history, the ones that stayed were the 'mixed bloods' and weren't welcome to go. What has changed in 200 years that would make them want to return? This land is alien to them now.

They would have as much chance as me trying to go to Ireland and claiming my G-g-g-g-grandfathers land. He was a Heugonaut and left Ireland to escape religious persecution. Pretty absurd indeed.

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#35 Feb-28-2010 09:36:pm

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There's no question that the Delaware had an historic presence in the East. Nothing the Tribes who are there now have done has helped to establish that fact.

I'm not sure any of the Eastern Nations had a choice in leaving. Could they really have stayed and fought for what was theirs? More than likely all would have been lost. For the ones who chose to stay, the "stayed and fought" is really more like "stayed and blended in", same as with the EBCI. If they hadn't, at least temporarily, they would have been rounded up and forced to leave. If they had fought, they would have been annihilated. That's just the way it was.

I'm going to back out of this discussion now and leave it to the Lenape experts.

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#36 Feb-28-2010 11:05:pm

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bls926 wrote:

There's no question that the Delaware had an historic presence in the East. Nothing the Tribes who are there now have done has helped to establish that fact.

I'm not sure any of the Eastern Nations had a choice in leaving. Could they really have stayed and fought for what was theirs? More than likely all would have been lost. For the ones who chose to stay, the "stayed and fought" is really more like "stayed and blended in", same as with the EBCI. If they hadn't, at least temporarily, they would have been rounded up and forced to leave. If they had fought, they would have been annihilated. That's just the way it was.

I'm going to back out of this discussion now and leave it to the Lenape experts.

There are many ways of fighting.. We fight here everyday

1. against the uneducated people who think they know who we are.
2. against the state who would like nothing better than to forget we ever existed.
3. against the education system who only teach western N.A history and forget about the atrocities committed here.
4. against some of our own people who don't want to recognize our existance.

the only way we are all going to gain what belongs to us is if we pool our strength and demand it.  Until this happens, we are and will continue to be a defeated people.

My comments are not meant to upset you but just to express my frustrations from this side of the fence. I welcome open dialogs here.. this is how we heal and work together.


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#37 Feb-28-2010 11:16:pm

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I have a question. Can the Delaware lay historic claims to any land in Pa?


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#38 Feb-28-2010 11:25:pm

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ramapoughnative wrote:

I have a question. Can the Delaware lay historic claims to any land in Pa?

Yes.  (My opinion.)  Whether or not they could prevail in the courts is another matter.

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#39 Feb-28-2010 11:49:pm

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I agree, Steven, there are many ways to fight and the points you make are valid for today. However, in the 1700's and 1800's the battle was entirely different.

No need to apologize. Although I grew up in Pennsylvania, I really don't know much about the Lenape. I'm often reminded of my lack of knowledge.

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#40 Feb-28-2010 11:56:pm

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Whether or not they could prevail in the courts is another matter.

Boy, that's the truth.
Well, they have my sympathy, because they were forced out of Kansas, and then I guess you could say they and the Cherokee were forced to make a deal neither wanted much. What stinks is they owned land as a tribe in Kansas, and got the short end of the stick in the Cherokee Nation. sad
But to me, and I'm speaking only how I feel: to me, it's sad to see them, whomever "them" is the Delaware Tribe, do to others, what has been done to them. sad It's disappointing to me.

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#41 Mar-01-2010 07:14:am

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ramapoughnative wrote:

I have a question. Can the Delaware lay historic claims to any land in Pa?

In theory, yes, however they would not get anywhere!  They tried that once, right down the road fom me, and that didn't pan out well for them!

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#42 Mar-01-2010 07:50:pm

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This is about money and politics mixed with historical ignorance and a "colonized mindset." 

The Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape stood with the Delaware Tribe when they lost their recognition.  They sent resolutions and letters to everyone, from the President to the BIA, in support the Delaware Tribe.  They stood with the Delaware Chief at the National Congress of American Indians and supported their cause (with the acceptance of the Delaware Tribal Chief of the time).  Their representatives were embraced by the Bartlesville community traditionalists on several occasions in recent years, once being invited to the drum and to dance as their "Lenape Cousins" at a national Indian event!  They have been cited in a book written by a Delaware Tribe Trust Board member that affirms them as a legit eastern group as the writer denounces other groups in the east.  Nora Dean Thompson visited with them, affirmed them, and even hosted one of their chiefs in her home!  The Delaware Nation in Moraviantown, Ontario has celebrated with them on their grounds in NJ and received them in Ontario. Their families were studied and affirmed by some of the same anthropologists that the Delaware tout even today (Speck and Weslager).  They are not an "upstart group," but can document their history back to the colonial era.  The government documented their families as Indian in the 1880's, 1890's and 1940's.  The state of NJ did not make them legit... they are legit!

The Delaware Council and Trust Board did not do their research... they are not interested in the truth.  Any tribal leader that assumes that the US Federal Government can define who is and who is not Indian has abdicated their own legacy and shamed their ancient ancestors.  However, according the US Federal Case Law... an Indian Tribe is a continuing community of interrelated descendants of an historic tribe that has existed from historic times in a contiguous (albeit perhaps ill-defined) geographic area with an acknowledgment of the community's authority over its members.  Sounds like the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape to me!

These leaders indicate that their own self-identity is wrapped around federal recognition... so, I guess they weren't "Delaware" during the time they had no recognition at all (federal, state or otherwise) as a tribe. 

They are interested in land claims and money.  Not the truth. 

While I am better versed about the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, I am sure that the Ramapough and Sand Hills can justify themselves also - but, don't need to.

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#43 Mar-01-2010 07:56:pm

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Wanish Xansa!!

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#44 Mar-01-2010 09:33:pm

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They are interested in land claims and money.  Not the truth.

Yep!!

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#45 Mar-02-2010 12:33:am

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Thank you, Pensive1

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#46 Mar-02-2010 09:14:am

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anyone wishing to contact the "voice" of the Delaware Tribe of Indians: http://www.delawaretribe.org/chief.htm

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#47 Mar-02-2010 09:29:am

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anushiik! for diplomatic reasons, i'll leave this up my Chief if he is so inclined to respond. I've been thinking about this and to be thrown under the bus leaves me at a loss for words.

(Not that it really matters to me what they think anyway..)

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#48 Mar-02-2010 02:59:pm

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and a "colonized mindset."

I read where the same thing was said about the Cherokee.

http://diverseeducation.com/artman/publ … 7102.shtml

News
Cherokee Nation Votes to Oust Freedmen From Tribal Rolls

by Mark Anthony Rolo , March 9, 2007
Categories:

    * Racism /
    * Public Policy /
    * American Indian/Native American /

In the aftermath of a highly publicized and bitter vote that removed 2,700 Blacks known as Freedmen from the tribal rolls of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, scholars are weighing in about a question that is as old as this country — What does it mean to be an American Indian?

Last week, Cherokee members voted to remove a unique class of its citizens from the tribal rolls — the descendants of African slaves once kept by tribal members, also known as Freedmen. Freedmen were granted citizenship as part of an 1866 treaty between the federal government and the Cherokee nation. The freed slaves that stayed with the tribe adopted the language and culture. Some intermarried into the tribe, and many were forced on the deadly Trail of Tears march from Georgia to Oklahoma, which killed nearly one-fifth of the tribe. Historically one of the wealthiest tribes, some Cherokee members held more than 100 slaves on plantations in the South, according to a recent report on National Public Radio.

But in the mid-1970s, after decades of oppressive rule by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the Cherokee re-organized as a tribal nation — choosing their own leaders and allowing citizens the right to vote. Under a new constitution, members first voted to oust intermarried Whites, then the Freedmen on the basis that they had no blood connection to the tribe.

After enduring almost 30 years of banishment, the Cherokee high court ruled that the Freedmen could re-enroll. But a petition drive led to a constitutional amendment that some say narrowly required citizenship to be defined purely by blood. More importantly, the petition took the determining of rightful enrollment out of the hands of the court and gave it to the people to decide. Many have expressed concern that the decision to remove the Freedmen was not based on a thorough understanding of the tribe’s political and legal history, but motivated by racism and a perception that Freedmen simply want access to membership benefits such as health care.

“It’s like the O.J. Simpson trial. Once the debate became about race nobody got a fair hearing,” says Dr. Daniel F. Littlefield Jr., director of the Sequoyah Research Center at the University of Arkansas-Little Rock. “This decision should have been based on the 1866 Treaty in which the Freedmen were granted citizenship, not race.”

Littlefield, who has gathered a history of the Cherokee Freedmen in a book, says the Cherokee are dismissing an important tribal value —  the culture of inclusion. In fact, the Cherokee have been one of the few tribes that have adopted other American Indians into their ranks. According to Littlefield, defining what it means to be Cherokee has meant both blood and culture. But when the tribe re-organized in 1976, they allowed White attitudes of racism into their “rethinking” about who is a Cherokee.

“Acculturation conditions people to think in certain ways,” Littlefield says. “The Indians of Oklahoma were almost forced to do that.”

Dr. Garrick A. Bailey, an anthropologist at the University of Tulsa who is Choctaw and Cherokee, agrees with Littlefield on the historical treatment of the tribes in Oklahoma.

“The Five Civilized Tribes have a totally unique social and cultural history that sharply distinguishes them from other tribes in the United States because of the conditions in which the tribes evolved — forced removal,” Bailey says. But he is quick to point out that racism is not at the heart of the controversy.

“I believe it’s about pride on both sides. The Freedmen are very proud of their Cherokee heritage and so are the other members,” he says. “It’s important to point out that there were a lot of traditional Cherokee who supported the Freedmen.”

Bailey argues that given the long history of Cherokee citizenry based on culture adoption and blood, it is difficult to separate culture from biology these days.

“I’ve known Black Creek who spoke Creek and blonde, blue-eyed people who spoke Choctaw.”

Carole E. Goldberg, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles who specializes in the study of tribal sovereignty and federal-Indian policy, says while amendments can be good for tribal nations instead of voting out tribal court judges, caution must be considered when it comes to relying on referendums to determine critical issues, such as defining tribal identity.

“In California, state initiative measures have sometimes helped break political deadlocks and register strongly held voter sentiment, as in the case of the tribal gaming initiatives,” she says. “But they also open up the possibility of law being made on the basis of misinformation, public relations campaigns and heavy financial investments by narrow interests. In conducting its own referenda and initiatives, Indian country could benefit from studying this experience at the state level.”

Littlefield says the results of the Cherokee referendum could end up costing the tribes federal funding. “They’ve started down a slippery slope like the Seminoles did when they removed Freedmen from their rolls,” he says. In 2000, the Seminoles re-admitted the Freedmen back when the federal government cut off funding. The same could happen to the Cherokee if the U.S. government determines the tribe violated the 1866 Treaty.

--Mark Anthony Rolo


To me, Littlefield is no one to sneeze at, or to take his opinion lightly.

nor this woman

http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/

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#49 Mar-04-2010 08:13:am

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FLASHBACK- 1995

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Bartlesville Trip 1995

The Third Annual Delaware Gathering and Symposium was a huge success and there were many interesting speakers, socials, a Delaware exhibit and Delaware Pow Wow to attend. This trip to Bartlesville, Oklahoma was also a long two day journey that covered over a thousand miles one way through five different states and required staying over night at the halfway mark which was Cuba, Missouri.
The duration of this historic trip made by Moraviantown Elders, Middle Aged and Young folks was from May 22, 1995 to May 29, 1995.
   
       Things got rolling at 6:15 am on Monday May 22, 1995 and there  had been much preparation by the Moraviantown Historical Society; there had been lunch sales, corn sales, gathering of donations and catering and ticket selling to raise the money needed to offset the high cost of traveling to this years events. But finally the Rez vans and the rented car were speeding south to County Road 18 and winding south on the Highgate Road and then accelerating westward towards Detroit on the always busy McDonald Cartier Freeway.
   
       The group never reached the Chatham interchanges yet when the blue council van started to smoke as it pursued the cherry red prevention van and the rented blue Ford. The vehicles came to a halt and after a quick huddle by the Historical Society leaders it was decided to drive into Chatham and see if another van could be rented but it was thought that this might be tough to accomplish since it was Queen Victoria's birthday and everything would be closed.
   
       Well the emergency number for the rental place named Lil Papa's was called and while everyone was drinking a coffee or eating some bacon and eggs things were being arranged to allow the small convoy to trek onward.
A little after 10 am. everyone was jaunting towards the 401 again and the old blue van that had made many trips in all directions the last few years was left parked in Chatham and a much newer GM model had taken its place.

Travelling in this bunch were Mattie Huff, Linda Tobias, Alma Burgoon, Lillian Noah, Stan Noah, Lauretta Stonefish, Marjorie Logan, Audrey Logan, Jason Meness, Myrna Stonefish, Brock Stonefish, Ed Tobias, Ryan Peters, Steve Sands, Gloria, Geewashy, Darryl Stonefish, and Band Councillors Bruce Stonefish and Jim Tobias who are also two of the leaders of the Moraviantown Historical Society.
   
       The unexpected stop in Chatham had set everything back a few hours but there was still time to enjoy a delicious lunch at the Ponderosa near Napoleon, Ohio and later a tasty dinner at Big Boy near Plainfield, Indiana. There was a time change in Indiana so that another hour was gained as the clocks went back an hour and after several more long hours the rooms were reached at the Super 8 Motel at Cuba, Missouri at about midnight.
   
       The next morning some of our folks enjoyed the continental breakfast that came with the room costs while others tried something at the huge truck stop across the road and then it was off for Bartlesville, Oklahoma.
The geography of the area was of rolling hills and valleys with some rock shelves on the sides of the road and an eagle was sighted perched in a tree. There was a superb lunch enjoyed at the Country Kitchen at Marshfield, Missouri as well as some shopping at the giant Wal Mart Mall and a few hours later at about 4:30 p.m. Ozarkland and an Army Surplus store were visited. Ozarkland is a big souvenir store where all kinds of crazy items are for sale and the army surplus store had some pretty bizarre stuff as well.
   
       In the evening about 7:30 p.m. Bartlesville, Oklahoma was reached and everyone seemed happy to finally get checked into the fancy Super 8 Motel which was next door to an all night diner called the Kettle and a little further down was a Pizza place. Bartlesville is a city about the size of Chatham, Ont. but it seemed to stretch out further. There were malls and many different kinds of restaurants but it was soon learned that few stay open past 10 pm.
   
       Upon arrival there were others waiting who had made the trip in vehicles just like our gang and some of these were Louie Logan, Doreen Logan, Darlene Logan Kechego, Richard Snake, Sandy Snake and Dee Snake. The Best Western Motel was across the road and since these Motels were two of the best around there were many people associated with the symposium staying at one or the other.
   
       When Bartlesville was only a few miles away the country looked similar to rural southwestern Ontario with fields, fence posts, gas wells, and cattle grazing lazily. But in looking a little closer it could be observed that there were no corn fields, or bean fields and some of the cattle had long horns but most of the small towns looked similar to the ones at home.
   
       The symposium commenced on Wednesday May 24, 1995 with a veterans flag song followed by a prayer by elder Leonard Thompson who spoke in Delaware and then English. Stan Noah carried the flag for Moraviantown, Floyd Case carried the Munsee\Delaware flag and Bucky Buck carried a flag for the Bartlesville Delawares. Chief Curtis Zunigha then welcomed everyone to the symposium and in a short time Mike Pace the Master of Ceremonies, introduced the first speaker who was Dr. Bruce Pearson.
   
       Dr. Pearson gave an overall view of the different native language areas of North America and spent some time presenting some Delaware phrases and explaining how the words are pronounced. He is the co-author of a book titled, The Delaware Language by Lucy Blalock, Bruce Pearson and James Rementer, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Delaware Tribe of Indians 1994. Mr. Pearson gave a very detailed presentation.
   
       The next speaker was Darryl Stonefish who spoke on the history of Moraviantown and how the first Moraviantown's were established in Duchess County, New York and how they moved west through Pennsylvania, Ohio and then north into what became Ontario. Things like early settlement at Fairfield, importance of elders, migration of members back to United States, the ball teams, corn plant and work done by the Moraviantown Historical Society were some of the things brought out. The book titled, History of the Delaware Nation of Moraviantown was presented.
   
       There was a lunch break from 12:15 until 1:30 and the Mexican Restaurant downtown had a buffet that some of the Moraviantown visitors had time to really enjoy.
   
       The first session of the afternoon was titled Delaware Stories and Their Implications and was given by Dr. David Oestreicher. Dr. Oestreicher focused his talk on the Walum Olum or Migration Story of the Delawares and presented his findings to serve as proof that the Walum Olum was not authentic but a hoax created by a man named Refinesque sometime in the1830's. Dr. Oestreichers presentation was a shock to some people since for many years books have been printed telling about it's authenticity and one titled, Red Records and written by David McCutchen, was presented at the first Delaware Gathering and Symposium held in Anadarko, Oklahoma in 1993. Dr. Oestreicher has a forty-five page article printed in the Archaeological Society of New Jersey Bulletin about his findings.
   
       The second session of the afternoon featured Dr. Terry Prewitt who presented, Experience and Natural Power in the Delaware Big House Church. Dr. Prewitt showed a video on the Big House Ceremony and talked of 1924 being the last ceremony being held in Oklahoma. He also told of how the Big House Ceremony was a time to pray to the creator and a time of great happiness, kindness and doing things for each other. He also
spoke of the Delaware Big House being about friendship and the sharing of power. The visions of the elders were a gift to the community. Hunting was part of the Big House ceremony and the elders would prepare food for the hunters to take with them on the hunt and when the hunters returned they would bring meat to the elders and the rest of the people in the ceremony.
"The world is alive and we're part of the world. That's a world view and its tied up right in that language and its tied up right in the principles of care and support of each other...of young people ...of adults... that's powerful stuff". Mr. Prewitt is a very skilled speaker and really captured the attention of the audience.
   
       After the speaker sessions everyone was invited to a social that was held at the Washington County Fair Building. Mouth watering homemade vegetable soup and fried bread were on the menu with moist chocolate cakes for dessert. After the food there was dancing, singing and drumming until about midnight. Some of the dances were Go Gettum Dance, Bean Dance, Alligator Dance, and Myrna Stonefish did a special jingle dress
dance as the Moraviantown Delaware Drum played the Anushiik Song. The drummers and singers were Jason Meness, Jim Tobias, Bruce Stonefish, Brent Stonefish, Steve Sands, and Perry from New Jersey. The host drum was from the Bartlesville Delawares or Delawares of Eastern Oklahoma and some of the drummers and singers were Mike Pace, Dee Ketchum, and Doug Donnell. The two drums exchanged gifts which were in the form
of a song and the Moraviantown Drum gave a beautiful thank you song and received a grand honour song in return.
   
       The second and final day of the symposium began with a flag song and Delaware elder Lucy Blalock gave a prayer in the Delaware Language.
   
       The first speaker of the final day was Mark Peters a lawyer and a member of the Munsee/Delaware of Ontario Mr. Peters gave a presentation on the research he has conducted on a land claim he is pursuing for his community. He also related that the Munsee/Delawares have a long history of being allied with the British Government in early colonial wars and also of being promised land about the size of a township. The information given by him was very detailed and involved genealogy, treaties, wampum belts and information about trips the Munsee/Delawares made to England in the 1800's. Mr. Peters gave a fine presentation about his community.
   
       The second speaker of the day was Dr. Herbert Kraft and he spoke on the archaeology of the New Jersey area which was an area solely occupied by Delaware Indians prior to Europeans coming to North America. Dr. Kraft
showed a slide show of artifacts that included pottery, small face mask effigies, a large Delaware mask from Six Nations as well as things that have been in Sweden since the early 1600's.
   
       The next speaker was James Revey from New Jersey and he talked about the early Delaware of New Jersey at the time of European contact. He made mention of the Peach war and several other similar occurrences. Mr. Revey also related stories about his people the Sandhill Delawares and made mention of other New Jersey Delaware groups who are known as the Pinies, Ramapho and Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape. Mr. Revey gave a very interesting talk.
   
       Mark Gould from the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape spoke for a short time after Mr. Revey and told some things about his people and their history.
   
       Doug Donnell the drum keeper and lead singer for the Delawares of Eastern Oklahoma gave a short presentation on the drum and had some on display for everyones viewing. He talked of how wood could be hollowed to make a water drum and how barrels and kettles were also used. Mr. Donnell gave the last speech of the symposium and the information he shared was very enlightening.
   
       In addition to all the Delawares from the many places mentioned there were Delaware people from California who announced that they are 1200 strong. There were also in attendance Delawares from Pennsylvania, Kansas, Wisconsin and the state of Delaware. A horde of information about Delawares was gathered at this symposium and it was one of the best gatherings ever. The speakers and socials were all recorded by "Delaware Jim" from Dewey, Oklahoma and copies of speeches are in the planning stages of being published in a book.
   
       The members of the Delaware Grand Council in attendance who stood before the audience were Grand Chief Linda Poolaw, Deputy Grand Chief Richard Snake, Trustee Edgar French, Trustee Curtis Zunigha, Executive Secretary Dee Ketchum and Trustee Darryl Stonefish. Grand Chief Linda Poolaw gave a talk about how the Grand Council was incorporated as a non-profit organization back in Ohio prior to 1993 and this had been directed by Rachel Redinger of New Philadelphia, Ohio. Linda went on to explain what has been happening with the Ellis Island reburial and the monument project and told the audience that the N.A.G.P.H.R.A. is now responsible for official duties concerning Ellis Island remains. She also reported that the Oklahoma Cherokees and the Stockridge Munsees needed to be consulted and that the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), agency policy and guidelines would be followed.
       
       Eastern Oklahoma Delaware, Bonnie Blue, the artist chosen for the Ellis Island Statue gave a presentation of her art work and talked to the audience about her profession and her good feelings about being selected for the job. Bonnie to date has spent her own money on the project and her art work is very beautiful.
   
       The medicine bundle was closed after a short ceremony involving the Grand Council members and elder Leonard Thompson and it was announced that the bundle would be brought to Moraviantown and presented at the Pow Wow for the Moraviantown Delawares to host the 1996 Lenape Gathering and Symposium.
   
       The Social was held at the Bartlesville Civic Centre and after speeches and an honour song by the Moraviantown Drum a delicious dinner of corn soup, salad, fried bread and cakes were served. Then social dances began and all ended about 10 p.m. Mattie Huff received a gift on behalf of Moraviantown and gave a delightful speech that seemed to flow so easily from her... One of the guys at the dinner told of the big all native fastball tournament that is held each year in Oklahoma City during the month of August that entertains over 100 teams.
   
       On Friday morning a convoy of cars, vans, and a bus were guided to the Philbrook Museum in Tulsa, Oklahoma by Chief Curtis Zunigha to see the Delaware exhibit.
The exhibit consisted of a large Big House mask on a post, two small faces carved in two end posts, twelve prayer sticks, two hand size turtle shell rattles, a fire drill, a bondelier bag, a large wall size picture of one of the last Big House buildings in Oklahoma and a video explaining things about the Big House.

       After spending some time here, the Moraviantown bunch consisting of Jason Meness, Darryl Stonefish, Brock Stonefish, Myrna Stonefish, Councillor Bruce Stonefish, Councillor Jim Tobias, Linda Tobias and Mark Gould, Lewis Pierse, Perry Loatmen, from New Jersey visited flea markets, pawn shops, trading posts all the way back to Bartlesville which was about fifty miles from Tulsa.
   
       The day had really flown by and in a short time it was time to travel to the Fall Leaf Pow Wow grounds which was about seventeen miles north of Bartlesville. The grand entry was at 8 pm and the Pow Wow grounds were located in a nice shady area with plenty of big trees. It had been raining during the week and the Pow Wow arena was drenched but this didn't stop the dancers and they circled the huge field right on schedule. There were plenty of craft booths but only one large food booth that was run by the Pow Wow Committee. The people camped right in the Pow Wow grounds and cooked their own food right there and that explained the lack of   food booths. There were trailers, campers, tents of all sorts and the Pow Wow went on until about midnight and after that social dances went on until morning. Bruce Stonefish, Brock Stonefish, and Myrna Stonefish all danced at the Pow Wow while others from Moraviantown checked out the barbequed hotdogs, hamburgers and crafts. Delaware elder Lucy Blalock spoke to some folks from Moraviantown and shared Delaware words for turtle, wolf, blue jay and several others. She was happy to see our people and asked how far we had come and wished everyone a safe journey home.
   
       Saturday May 27, 1995 it was time to travel back home and the Pow Wow sure sounded good for Saturday night but about 11 a.m. the convoy headed east. There was stop at a Buffalo Ranch about 1:30 p.m. and another stop at Ozarkland in Missouri at 3:30 p.m. and then the radio reporter announced that two tornados were a little south of Springfield and travelling the same direction as the Moraviantown vehicles. This brought
about a quick stop at a flea market and then scrumptious dinner at Kentucky Fried Chicken in Marshfield at around 6:30 p.m. Finally the Motel was reached at Cuba, Missouri and everyone had time to watch the weather report on TV and rest, it was about 9:50 p.m.
   
       On Sunday May 28, 1995 it was homeward bound at about 11 a.m. and about an hour and a half later the Mississippi flood waters of St. Louis were witnessed and around 2:15 p.m. it was estimated that it was about 500 miles to Moraviantown. About 2:40 p.m. there was a lunch break at Wendys and a visit at an awesome craftshop that had all sorts of native crafts, books, video tapes and other goodies. At 4:55 p.m. it was onward and it was going to take all night to get home and coffee stops were going to be a necessity. It
rained very hard one place and then a construction area limited everyone to a crawl as the night dragged on. Late at night there was dinner at a slow moving Denny's and then a tape clicked and a singer sang an honour song in the Delaware Language as the vans and car followed each other into the darkness.
   
       The sign said, "Toledo, Ohio", and some sighs of relief were heard for it wouldn't be long when Detroit signs would appear and a few more dreams and plans spoken out loud would surely help the distance seem shorter.
   
       Finally the Detroit/Windsor border could be seen as cars zigzagged along the freeways. It was 5:30 a.m. and then 6 a.m. when the fresh Tim Hortons coffee and banana cream donuts would be put down the hatch in Windsor, Ontario.
   
       The last stretch was the longest and the 401 highway seemed to go on forever and then as if something magic happened we were turning north on Highgate road and home sweet home. The topic this time had been baseball and one short story was of a young Delaware boy hitting a fastball over the centre field fence...The happy smile could be envisioned on his face... Yes, Moraviantown at 7 a.m. is very beautiful and peaceful especially when someone has been travelling hour upon hour to reach it.
   
       The symposium had been one of academic speakers, fellowship with Delawares and others, praying, dancing, singing, eating in all kinds of restaurants, buying gifts for loved ones, sharing things with each other and seeing over a thousand miles of country. It was a great trip and will always be remembered.

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