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#1 Feb-27-2010 10:17:am

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ANOTHER "GAUNTLET" IS THROWN!

DELAWARE TRIBE OF INDIANS
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A RESOLUTION OF THE DELAWARE TRIBE OF INDIANS AND DELAWARE TRUST BOARD
OPPOSING FABRICATED DELAWARE "TRIBES", "GROUPS" AND "INDIANS"

Resolution 2010-02


WHEREAS, the Delaware Tribal Council is authorized by Article V of the Constitution and Bylaws of the Delaware Tribe of Indians (approved by Bureau of Indian Affairs, May 26, 2009) to represent the Delaware Tribe and act in all matters that concern the general welfare of the tribe; and,

WHEREAS, pursuant to the Trust Document, Article II, Section D, of the Delaware Tribe of Indians the Trust Board is authorized to perform managerial functions and execute routine business functions relating to the administration of the Delaware Judgement funds; and,

WHEREAS, the Delaware Tribe of Indians is a federally recognized Indian tribe published in the Federal Register, August 11, 2009, with a historic and continual government to government relationship with the United States of America; and,

WHEREAS, the Delaware Tribal Council and the Delaware Trust Board represent approximately 11,000 Delaware people throughout the United States of America; and,

WHEREAS, the Delaware Tribal Council and the Delaware Trust Board have been aware of a growing number of non-Indian groups claiming to be Delaware Indian and that these groups have been organizing and attempting to gain federal recognition; and,

WHEREAS, the Department of the Interior through the Bureau of Indian Affairs' Branch of Acknowledgment and Research maintains the responsibility for addressing specific applications for federal recognition; and,

WHEREAS, the history of the Delaware Tribe of Indians is well documented and no other tribe or bands of Delaware Indians exist aside from those already federally recognized, which includes the Delaware Nation in Oklahoma; and,

WHEREAS, public funding by pseudo-Delaware tribes and groups is of epidemic proportions and often involve membership fees; misleading presentation to school children and interference in a multitude of government functions; and,

WHEREAS, the sovereignty and reputation of the Delaware Tribe of Indians as well as members of the general public continue to be in jeopardy due to the acts of individuals who organize and administer fabricated Delaware tribes, bands and groups; and,

WHEREAS, untold millions of federal dollars that are appropriated for the benefit of tribal people are being diverted from their intended purpose, including money by federal agencies such as the Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Native Americans, the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Agriculture and other federal agencies.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Delaware Tribal Council and Delaware Trust Board denounce the state or federal recognition of any further 'Delaware' tribes or groups aside from those already federally recognized, and commit to exposing and assisting state and federal authorities in eradicating any group which attempts or claims to operate as a government of the Delaware People.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that no public funding from any federal or state government should be expended on behalf of non-federally recognized 'Delaware' tribe or bands or the individual members thereof; and,

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Delaware Tribe and Delaware Trust Board shall call for a full accounting of all federal monies given to state recognized, unrecognized or 501c(3) charitable organizations that claim any Delaware affiliation; and,

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the federal and state governments should stringently apply a federal definition of 'Indian' that includes only citizens of federally recognized Indian tribes, to prevent non-Indians from selling membership in 'Delaware' tribes for the purpose of exploiting the Indian Arts and Crafts Act.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that no 501c(3) organization, state recognized or unrecognized groups shall be acknowledged as Delaware; and,

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that any individual who is not a member of a federally recognized Delaware Tribe, in academia or otherwise, is hereby discouraged from claiming to speak as a Delaware, or on behalf of Delaware citizens or using claims of Delaware heritage to advance his or her career or credentials; and,

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that this Resolution shall be the policy of the Delaware Tribal Council and Delaware Trust Board until it is withdrawn or modified by subsequent resolution.

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#2 Feb-27-2010 07:30:pm

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"WHEREAS, the history of the Delaware Tribe of Indians is well documented and no other tribe or bands of Delaware Indians exist aside from those already federally recognized, which includes the Delaware Nation in Oklahoma;...."

well that is mighty "white" of them, neutral

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#3 Feb-27-2010 09:42:pm

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I don't know how that works in the U.S., but I'm thinking of the Canadian ones, and what about the ones in Idaho?

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#4 Feb-27-2010 09:45:pm

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& what about the ones in Kansas?

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#5 Feb-27-2010 09:47:pm

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or using claims of Delaware heritage to advance his or her career

Can I write a book and say my family claimed Delaware (altho it's more likely it was Stockbridge) without them suing me? hmmbig_smiletonguesmile

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#6 Feb-27-2010 10:17:pm

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Chevy wrote:

I don't know how that works in the U.S., but I'm thinking of the Canadian ones, and what about the ones in Idaho?

The "Canadian ones" are federally recognized, by the federal government in Canada.

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#7 Feb-27-2010 10:55:pm

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I applaud the Delaware for taking this initiative! I think this is a good thing. The Cherokee have had an uphill battle against all the wannabee Cherokee groups for years; it's why they have the Task Force. We've seen the same thing going on with the Delaware. Lenape is almost as popular as Cherokee and Lakota these days. Hopefully this will put an end to the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania and all Bob Ruth's illusions of grandeur. Wonder what this will do to Shelley's teaching assignment at Swarthmore? The debacle at the University of Pennsylvania? Minderhout's book? This should be interesting.

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#8 Feb-27-2010 11:17:pm

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bls926 wrote:

I applaud the Delaware for taking this initiative! I think this is a good thing. The Cherokee have had an uphill battle against all the wannabee Cherokee groups for years; it's why they have the Task Force. We've seen the same thing going on with the Delaware. Lenape is almost as popular as Cherokee and Lakota these days. Hopefully this will put an end to the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania and all Bob Ruth's illusions of grandeur. Wonder what this will do to Shelley's teaching assignment at Swarthmore? The debacle at the University of Pennsylvania? Minderhout's book? This should be interesting.

Those folks are low on their hit-list.  They're starting, right off, with the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, and Sand Hill Indians.

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#9 Feb-27-2010 11:17:pm

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Unfortunately, the Ramapough, the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape and the Sand Hill group(s) may find themselves in the cross-hairs as well. It is difficult to draft a resolution like that and not catch some legitimate groups in the downdraft. I wonder if anyone in Bartlesville has a "white list" of groups they will turn a blind eye toward...

Hmm, Ray was posting at the same time as I. That is disturbing news.

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#10 Feb-27-2010 11:19:pm

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The "Canadian ones" are federally recognized, by the federal government in Canada.

Well, sure, but this statement doesn't mention them. It sounds like they're saying the ones Fed recognized in the States are the only ones. I don't know anything about the ones in Idaho. Do you, Sschkaak? They seem to have a lot of documentation, and I know Chris Hahn has a lot of documentation on the Kansas Delaware, and that all of his documentation is legitimate as far as I know. So are they talking about Kansas, Idaho, Sand Hill? what?

I don't see how they, they being anyone, can say well the Kansas Delaware chose citizenship. So did the Stockbridge Munsee in Wisconsin, when the die hard hold outs went to Kansas on the Delaware Reserve to remain a TRIBE, and they lost EVERYTHING, including being "Stockbridge". They later filled out papers for money as Stockbridge, and the U.S. Government DENIED THEM, saying they weren't Stockbridge, they were now Delaware. madsadneutralroll

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#11 Feb-27-2010 11:19:pm

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Looks like we posted at exactly the same time, Paul.

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#12 Feb-27-2010 11:20:pm

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Thanks, Suckachsinheet. You answered my question about the Sand Hill.  and more than I asked, which I appreciate.

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#13 Feb-27-2010 11:22:pm

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They're starting, right off, with the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, and Sand Hill Indians.

Thanks Ray, well that's just sad. sad

What is it over? casino?

Don't want to lose their recognition again.

or just money?

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#14 Feb-27-2010 11:23:pm

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Martha:

They have no quarrel with the three federally recognized Canadian tribes.  Of course, the Idaho and Kansas Delawares can document their Lenape ancestry, with no trouble, whatsoever.  But, of course, others can, too.

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#15 Feb-27-2010 11:28:pm

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Well, yes, I can see they have no reason to have a beef with the Canadian, they aren't in competition for recognition, money, or a U.S. casino. hmm You know, it almost makes a person see the benefits of Indians not getting benefits. hmm I'm all for up-holding treaties, but dang. sad It surely makes ppl cut-throat.

Edit to say "can make ppl cut-throat", not that it makes everyone that way sad

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#16 Feb-27-2010 11:28:pm

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Chevy wrote:

They're starting, right off, with the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, and Sand Hill Indians.

Thanks Ray, well that's just sad. sad

What is it over? casino?

Don't want to lose their recognition again.

or just money?

Well...  Aside from the reasons they give in their Resolution, I suppose we can only guess what, if any, hidden motives they have.

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#17 Feb-27-2010 11:29:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

Those folks are low on their hit-list.  They're starting, right off, with the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, and Sand Hill Indians.

I wonder why? The Ramapough pretty much keep to themselves and the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape don't make many waves for the recognized Delaware. I might see their point with the other two groups, but there are still much greater offenders. They really ought to choose their targets carefully.


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#18 Feb-27-2010 11:30:pm

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Yes, Ray, and also, someone like me can only guess who in the Tribe is for it, who initiated it, and who, if any is against it. hmm

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#19 Feb-27-2010 11:35:pm

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Chevy wrote:

Yes, Ray, and also, someone like me can only guess who in the Tribe is for it, who initiated it, and who, if any is against it. hmm

Who's for it?  The Chief and Tribal Council and Trust Board.  In other words, the elected representatives of the Delaware Tribe.

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#20 Feb-27-2010 11:38:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

WHEREAS, the Delaware Tribal Council and the Delaware Trust Board have been aware of a growing number of non-Indian groups claiming to be Delaware Indian and that these groups have been organizing and attempting to gain federal recognition; and,

WHEREAS, public funding by pseudo-Delaware tribes and groups is of epidemic proportions and often involve membership fees; misleading presentation to school children and interference in a multitude of government functions; and,

WHEREAS, the sovereignty and reputation of the Delaware Tribe of Indians as well as members of the general public continue to be in jeopardy due to the acts of individuals who organize and administer fabricated Delaware tribes, bands and groups; and,

WHEREAS, untold millions of federal dollars that are appropriated for the benefit of tribal people are being diverted from their intended purpose, including money by federal agencies such as the Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Native Americans, the Department of Labor, Department of Education, Department of Agriculture and other federal agencies.

This describes a lot of groups we are all aware of, but I don't think the Ramapough or Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape fit the description. So, as sschkaak posited, what is the real objective?

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#21 Feb-27-2010 11:45:pm

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Chevy wrote:

What is it over? casino?

Don't want to lose their recognition again.

or just money?

all of the above!  This is not the first time a "resolution" such as this was drafted, not sure of the date without looking for a copy, but Chief Snake drafted a similar letter a while back and that didn't go far, nor do I imagine this will.  I have nothing against the folks out there, however it is a very different mindset from when I live out there, but there has always been some who despised the Eastern Lenape, those with the blood and those without, just because they stayed in the East, some even saying that because they didn't go West they don't deserve to call themselves "Lenape", that is their opinion and they are entitled to it for sure but to me that is the dumbest thing I have heard!  On the other hand, as I said before there are more than a few out there that acknowledge the historic communities in the East, some have even been out here for gatherings and ceremonies regularly, so there are both sides in this...
Seems interesting that this comes about now, and who it is directed towards, and will be interested in know how this pans out at the Delaware National Council this year, considering they are attacking a group that was given a voice on that council hmm

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#22 Feb-27-2010 11:58:pm

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Thanks, Ray, Suckachsinheet,  lenape, and everyone.

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#23 Feb-28-2010 12:51:am

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sschkaak wrote:

bls926 wrote:

I applaud the Delaware for taking this initiative! I think this is a good thing. The Cherokee have had an uphill battle against all the wannabee Cherokee groups for years; it's why they have the Task Force. We've seen the same thing going on with the Delaware. Lenape is almost as popular as Cherokee and Lakota these days. Hopefully this will put an end to the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania and all Bob Ruth's illusions of grandeur. Wonder what this will do to Shelley's teaching assignment at Swarthmore? The debacle at the University of Pennsylvania? Minderhout's book? This should be interesting.

Those folks are low on their hit-list.  They're starting, right off, with the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, and Sand Hill Indians.

Damn. I wasn't thinking about the Nanticoke, Ramapough, Powhatan-Renape, or the Sand Hill. To me, they are legitimate Nations. I was excited at the possibility that the LNP, Billy's Bunch, and all the other fake Lenape tribes would be put to rest. Not to mention, Shelley's language [sic] lessons and the mess at the University of Pennsylvania. Why aren't they going after the real frauds?

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#24 Feb-28-2010 09:27:am

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Don't get me wrong.  They're included.  But, the first ones named were the four I mentioned.

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#25 Feb-28-2010 10:54:am

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This describes a lot of groups we are all aware of, but I don't think the Ramapough or Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape fit the description. So, as sschkaak posited, what is the real objective?

Land and rights in New Jersey.

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