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#1 Apr-10-2009 11:12:pm

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Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Below the picture of the Sand Hill Indian council are posted five federal documents (four military draft registrations and one federal census, ranging from 1918, to 1930, to 1942) identifying each of them as Indians.  This particular council served from the 1920's through 1953.  Anyone who has done genealogical research knows that census documents are generally unhelpful in identifying American Indians of the Eastern United States.  Hence, the importance of documents like these to skeptics.


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{Chief Crummel is listed, above, as "IN" (I.e., "Indian") in this 1930 census of Monmouth County, NJ}


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World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Jonathan Theodore Richardson

Name:         Jonathan Theodore Richardson
City:           Manhattan
County:       New York
State:         New York
Birth Date:   31 Jan 1875
Race:          Indian (Native American)
Roll:            1786673
Draft Board:  140



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#2 Apr-11-2009 02:26:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

HE! Ray,

                       How many times have I looked at that picture in the ASNJ Bulletin!!

A big thank you for showing the paperwork proof.

                                              Love,
                                          MaryEllen

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#3 Apr-11-2009 02:56:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Tokipahkinao wrote:

HE! Ray,

                       How many times have I looked at that picture in the ASNJ Bulletin!!

A big thank you for showing the paperwork proof.

                                              Love,
                                          MaryEllen

A little trivia:  That photograph is actually a mirror image.  The negative must have been developed backwards by the printer!  LOL!  Note that all but Jonathan Richardson are holding their fans in their "left" hands, while Jonathan's is in his "right."  In fact, as you can see by his draft registration (above), he had lost his right arm by this time!  The correct photo can be seen in the plate from The Real Americans, shown in the Sand Hill Indian Pictorial thread, where the fans are being held in the correct hands.   smile

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#4 Apr-11-2009 06:34:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Thats neat Ray. The funny part about that is the Crummels in the Pine Barrens claim 'Indian Ann' ancestry ( actually it's the Roberts family among the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape) and there were Richardsons among the"Nanticoke" settlement in Blackwoodtown during the eary 1900s.
  If you compare the geneologies from the 3 Lenape tribes here in New Jersey it seems like Indians went to great extants to marry other Indians. That is why 'RamapoughNative' and I are related in 2 different ways and 'Chiefptm' is related to all the tribes. smile


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#5 Apr-11-2009 08:57:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

N-P wrote:

"The funny part about that is the Crummels in the Pine Barrens claim 'Indian Ann' ancestry ..."

Yes.  Descendants of Frank and George Crummel.

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#6 Apr-11-2009 09:02:pm

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I'm sticking this for the time being.

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#7 Apr-11-2009 11:04:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

sschkaak wrote:

N-P wrote:

"The funny part about that is the Crummels in the Pine Barrens claim 'Indian Ann' ancestry ..."

Yes.  Descendants of Frank and George Crummel.

The one that told the story the most was that collier. But I can't remember his name. I'll look it up.


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#8 Apr-11-2009 11:34:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

George.  "The Indian collier."

[edited to correct!]   tongue

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#9 Apr-11-2009 11:54:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

sschkaak wrote:

George.  "The Indian collier."

[edited to correct!]   tongue

It was in one of Rev. Henry Becks books, which I am failing to locate, if I remember correctly. yikes


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#10 May-07-2009 12:59:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

I actually got my information on the Crummels from George D. Flemming's book, Brotherton:  New Jersey's First and Only Indian Reservation and the Communities of Shamong and Tabernacle That Followed, Medford, NJ (2005), pp. 126, 127 & 143.  Page 127 has a photograph of George Crummel.  Flemming includes the Beck book in his bibliography, so he may have gotten his information (or some of it) from that source.

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#11 May-07-2009 07:19:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

sschkaak wrote:

I actually got my information on the Crummels from George D. Flemming's book, Brotherton:  New Jersey's First and Only Indian Reservation and the Communities of Shamong and Tabernacle That Followed, Medford, NJ (2005), pp. 126, 127 & 143.  Page 127 has a photograph of George Crummel.  Flemming includes the Beck book in his bibliography, so he may have gotten his information (or some of it) from that source.

I have that book.
My Uncle Jack is the owner of the "Murder House" mentioned in that book.


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#12 Jun-10-2012 06:05:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Lines 6 and 7 of this 1880 Federal Census of Manhattan show two Sand Hill Indians, Richard Richardson and Theodore Richardson--two brothers of Jim Revey's paternal grandmother, Restelle (Richardson) Revey--both listed as "I" (i.e., "Indian"). 

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#13 Jun-10-2012 09:35:pm

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Very nice piece of history (or should I say proof), thanks.

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#14 Jun-11-2012 03:38:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Here is an 1880 federal census page for Rahway, Union County, New Jersey, showing Robert Richardson (b.1834), who is enumerated as "I" (Indian).  This Robert Richardson was a cousin of the first Sand Hill Indian chief, Isaac R. Richardson (1818-1904), the latter of whom was the father of the previously documented two men.  I have included an enlarged detail from the page, as well, for easier reading.

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#15 Jun-12-2012 03:06:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Four more records documenting the American Indian ancestry of the Sand Hill Indians:  Three military draft registration forms from 1917, showing Charles H. A. Richardson (b.1888); Robert Richardson (b.1894); and, Ryers C. Richardson (b.1895), listed as Indians.  (Robert is specifically listed as "American Indian.")  Robert is the same Robert whose WWII registration is shown, above, on this thread.  He was one of the Council Members shown in the photograph which starts this thread.  Also included here is a page from the 1930 federal census for Asbury Park, Monmouth County, New Jersey, showing John H. Richardson (b.1860), second line from the bottom, listed as "Ind" (Indian).  A close-up detail is added for clarity. 


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#16 Jun-14-2012 01:58:pm

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Thanks sschkaak, this thread seems to be getting a lot of hits lately.

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#17 Jun-14-2012 02:52:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

Pleased to hear that.  Thanks.

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#18 Jun-15-2012 11:23:am

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Similar public records showing Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape and Ramapough forbears as Indians could be easily supplied, as well.

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#19 Dec-23-2012 01:10:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Sand Hill Indians

On page 127 of C. A. Weslager's book, Magic Medicines of the Indians, he writes, "One of the Sand Hill descendants is James 'Lone Bear' Revey...  His mother's people belonged to the band of Delawares who had lived in the Schooley and Pohatcong Mountain areas of Warren and Morris Counties.  She was descended from the Ray and Hill families..."  The following 1940 federal census record for Dover, Morris County, New Jersey, lists William Ray (70 years old), William's nephew, Willbert Lansing (son of William's sister, Irene Ray), and all the Lansing children in this household as "In" (i.e., "Indian").  This William Ray appears to be a second cousin to Jim Revey's maternal grandmother.


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