Woodland Indians Forum

Just a few notes:

  "Lenape umbelical cord bag" - this is a Lakota "style" bag, Lenape buried the umbelical cord in the "garden area" or "around the house" for a girl to draw her spirit closer to the home and garden, and buried it in the woods, or made a slit in a sapling and placed it in there for a boy to draw his spirit closer to the woods(sources: Nora Thompson Dean, Freddie Washington, Jim DeHaven, ect...)  As for the Medicine Wheel, this was/is not a Lenape custom, and the colors used are a "universal" pan-indian thing made "popular" by the AIM beliefs of the four "colors of man".

  "Lenape Moccasins" - dispite these were made in 1998, they are NOT Eastern Woodlands Style even!!!

  "Painted Lenape Drum" - So far as I know there was no records of a hand drum being used by the Lenape, the "Deer Skin Drum" commonly used in the Big House, and the "Wet-skin" or Water Drum were used.

  "Replica of a Lenape Doll" - This speaks for itself, , has no historical nor cultural signifigance!!!!

  Mr. Potato Head seems to have gotten a trim, also does it not seem that he has been made to "look older" in comparison" to his other pics?  Could be that his "keepers" read about how "new" he looks, hmmmmmm.

I was thinking the same about Mr. Potato Head. I went back to the old pic...


BEFORE





AFTER

HE! Gang,
   
                     OK - here I go!!! Thanks for the Link to the Pix



                                        U. of Penn. "Lenape " Display:

Row A.   #1:  cloth doll:
                                    Lenape dolls did not have faces, and certainly not one on
                                    on the back of the head. If it's a child's doll, clothing does
                                    not seem to look like Lenape clothes. If it's a doll for the
                                    famous historic "Doll Dance", it should have detailed  cloth
                                    and beaded  Lenape regalia.

             #2:  Corn husk doll:

                                     Just a plain corn husk doll. I've taught 6 year olds to
                                     make them.

              #3:  M'sing Face (Candle holder?)

                                     Never heard of candles in the Big House! And if the                               the M'sing Face is so sacred, when and where do y                                    you light it up?

               #4: M'sing face:

                                      I have seen a M'sing Face in a wonderful Big House
                                      display in a Tulsa museum a few years ago.  This one
                                      looks so crude in comparison. There is a video, narrated
                                      by Curtis Zunigha, about this temporary display. I was
                                      honored to have seen this monumental part of Lenape
                                      history.

                                              More comments to come.

                                                             MaryEllen

PS: I am discussing each row of pix in separate E-mails, because I have been l
known to accidently erase a long reply!

http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/events/ … which=1634

"....made by Taos Drum and given as a gift to the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania in 1985...."

  This was purchased from Taos Drum and there was no "Lenape Nation" in 1985, the "Lenape Nation" was created in 1998, prior to that these folks were a bunch of "misfits" following who ever was in front of them at the time, and it for sure was not around in 1978 as a few Elders from the West came out here, looking for people of Lenape descent and in her words "...while I met some of my people there were not any communities left...", this was after spending time in Bucks County, not far from where Bob Ruth supposedly was part of this mystical "Lenape Nation"

HE! Gang,

                 Row 3:

                              1. M'sing ring??? . . . . . .

                              2. wannabees signing with wannabees! I feel that Pennsbury
                                  Manor may have regretted hosting the signing this "Historic
                                 Treaty".

                              3. Ms. Abigail Selden doesn't look   naive . . . . No comment on
                                  the other two.

                                                  MaryEllen

HE! Gang,

              I had forgotten about the Medicine Wheel.  This is supposed to be sooooo ancient and the colors represent the 4 races: I can see the "White Race" because the European looked so pale in comparison to the Natives. And there were black slaves brought over by the Europeans, therefore the "Black Race"..But did the Natives all really consider themselves as "RED"?, and when did they encounter the "Yellow Race" , i.e. the Chinese/Asians.?

               When the New Sweden Centre of Wilmington, Delaware was allowed to film  part of their video at the Churchville Nature Center's Lenape village, it was to show Swedish traders first meeting the Lenape. Some costumed members of the Lenape interpretors had to be asked to remove medicine Wheels and other inappropriate jewelry and modern touches that had kept into their 1600's Lenape clothing.


                                            I WAS THERE

                                                   MaryEllen

I thought that article with Posten was posted here.

Edit..

It is page 12 here http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewt … 2&p=12

Good point! Thanks.

lenape wrote:

SOUTHEASTERN CHEROKEE CONFEDERACY OF PENNSYLVANIA, EARTH BAND"

The 'Clueless Nanticoke/Rappahannock/Monacan Club' with Chief Pontiac Firebird Tigerlily. 

would love to be a "fly on the wall" in the museum today, LOL

NanticokePiney wrote:

lenape wrote:

would love to be a "fly on the wall" in the museum today, LOL

I know this forum has been a hot topic with them.

Must be our charm...

HE! Gang,

                       So, this forum has been a "hot topic", huh?

                        BUT IS ANYONE  AT THE U OF PENN MUSEUM REALLY READING, LISTENING,  AND ACTING  ????? .....


                                          MaryEllen

Tokipahkinao wrote:

HE! Gang,

                       So, this forum has been a "hot topic", huh?

                        BUT IS ANYONE  AT THE U OF PENN MUSEUM REALLY READING, LISTENING,  AND ACTING  ????? .....


                                          MaryEllen

They ARE Reading, as for listening and acting...