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#51 Jul-25-2008 10:09:pm

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Re: "Invisible Indians" of PA

Individuals we interviewed called themselves by either term, or by related names, such as Munsee or Umlatchgo. The problems of identifying Pennsylvania's Native Americans in the past is discussed by Weslager (1972) and Wallace (1981).

Umlatchgo????yikes   Does he mean Unalachtigo???? hmm  Doesn't this set off alarm bells ringing......... It's ridiculous...........


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#52 Jul-25-2008 10:30:pm

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NanticokePiney wrote:

Individuals we interviewed called themselves by either term, or by related names, such as Munsee or Umlatchgo. The problems of identifying Pennsylvania's Native Americans in the past is discussed by Weslager (1972) and Wallace (1981).

Umlatchgo????yikes   Does he mean Unalachtigo???? hmm  Doesn't this set off alarm bells ringing......... It's ridiculous...........

LOL!

  I suspect that the self proclaimed "Nanticoke" was Taffe, so maybe they do mean "Umlatchgo", if they can make up who they are they can make up imaginary "Tribes/Nations" too!

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#53 Jul-25-2008 10:38:pm

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lenape wrote:

NanticokePiney wrote:

Individuals we interviewed called themselves by either term, or by related names, such as Munsee or Umlatchgo. The problems of identifying Pennsylvania's Native Americans in the past is discussed by Weslager (1972) and Wallace (1981).

Umlatchgo????yikes   Does he mean Unalachtigo???? hmm  Doesn't this set off alarm bells ringing......... It's ridiculous...........

LOL!

  I suspect that the self proclaimed "Nanticoke" was Taffe, so maybe they do mean "Umlatchgo", if they can make up who they are they can make up imaginary "Tribes/Nations" too!

Taffe? My Grandfather Pierce's "heir" ? Oh, I know it's him. hmm


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#54 Jul-27-2008 09:12:pm

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The Lenape community in New Jersey is significantly divided over the issue of casino gambling, and a rival Lenape organization has been created to challenge the Nanticoke-Lenape's pledge not to build a casino.

How is a group of 5 people led by a 1/4 breed crackhead considered "significantly divided"???

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#55 Jul-28-2008 02:36:pm

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Re: "Invisible Indians" of PA

#2,554,084  They were offering a $10 discount, during the third week of July, but it ended on the 22nd.  Gotta do better than that!  No one has bought a single copy of this from Amazon, since we started tracking the sales rank.

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#56 Jul-28-2008 02:43:pm

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Wow not one copy? I wonder if they're selling it locally or something. I will admit that if it was $10 I probably would have bought one just to see what it was like.

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#57 Jul-28-2008 07:32:pm

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Today, Indians in Pennsylvania are scouring old courthouse records as well as baptismal, marriage, and death certificates for proof of their heritage. As an example, the Eastern Delaware Nation has recently received a grant from the Pennsylvania Historical Museum and Commission to conduct workshops on genealogical research.

This sounds like a hoot neutral I wonder if some new geneaologies are going to pop up in the LDS database.   hmm


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#58 Jul-29-2008 03:07:pm

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HE! Folks,

                       I didn't get a chance to read everybody's take on this "BOOK"until just now (2:16 PM, on Tues., Jul 29.)

                       I was afraid I'd be knee-deep in vomit!! I remember the complaints about Prichard's book- but I don't think anything significant was done . Any updates on that  "book" NP, RAY, etc.??

                       The book  may not - will not- better not- sell, but there's now the YEAR-LONG display of PA "Artifacts, etc from THAT GROUP due to open in Sept. at, of all places, THE U.of PENN. MUSEUM in Phila., one of the world's greatest anthrop. and Archaeol. museums.  Well, at least up to the present!!!!!!!

                        AND THE DISPLAY IS SCHEDULED TO BE THERE UNTIL SEPT OF 2009.!  What can I say? @#$%^&*

                                               MaryEllen

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#59 Jul-29-2008 03:57:pm

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Tokipahkinao wrote:

HE! Folks,


                I was afraid I'd be knee-deep in vomit!!

It was up to my waist.

I remember the complaints about Prichard's book- but I don't think anything significant was done . Any updates on that  "book" NP, RAY, etc.??

Pritchard's now a "new age" healer so you know which audience he's aiming for now and it isn't academic.....

                       

The book  may not - will not- better not- sell, but there's now the YEAR-LONG display of PA "Artifacts, etc from THAT GROUP due to open in Sept. at, of all places, THE U.of PENN. MUSEUM in Phila., one of the world's greatest anthrop. and Archaeol. museums.  Well, at least up to the present!!!!!!!

                        AND THE DISPLAY IS SCHEDULED TO BE THERE UNTIL SEPT OF 2009.!  What can I say? @#$%^&*

The dumbing down of the U.S.... I would hesitate to guess the "no child left behind" policies have now reached higher education......


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#60 Jul-29-2008 04:01:pm

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The display is not a lost cause YET. wink

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#61 Jul-29-2008 04:41:pm

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The display is not a lost cause YET. wink

yikes


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#62 Aug-01-2008 09:56:am

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#2,704,138 - What I find interesting is that Amazon has 2 new copies in stock, but 6 used copies for sale, too.  And, the people selling the used copies are asking a higher price than what the new copies go for!  DUH!  neutral

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#63 Aug-01-2008 07:20:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

#2,704,138 - What I find interesting is that Amazon has 2 new copies in stock, but 6 used copies for sale, too.  And, the people selling the used copies are asking a higher price than what the new copies go for!  DUH!  neutral

yikes   Maybe is was that bad and they want extra payment for pain and suffering......


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#64 Aug-12-2008 09:51:am

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Today's Amazon sales rank:  #3,003,663.  Congratulations to the publisher on setting the price of this book so high that NOBODY will buy it!  I won't post on this, anymore, unless the price drops or the sales rank hits four million.   neutral

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#65 Aug-12-2008 09:54:am

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Not even the used price dropped? Wow. neutral

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#66 Aug-12-2008 10:00:am

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I told you guys, Dr. Seuss is a better deal, better price, the history is more accurate and none of those nasty side effects!!!  tongue

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#67 Aug-12-2008 10:44:am

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Not even the used price dropped? Wow. neutral

ALL the "used" copies are priced HIGHER than a new copy!!!  They're trying to sell this for as much as $176, at one place!

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#68 Aug-12-2008 11:32:am

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What are they doing, trying to recoup the mental anguish they went through reading it?

That's crazy. neutral

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#69 Aug-12-2008 12:21:pm

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HE! Folks,

                   This book business is getting beyond common sense! Maybe, having been a Science teacher all these years, I think a bit differently!? If the publisher didn't sell ANY,  then how could there be USED ones for sale??
Unless these "used" ones had been kicked around the warehouse floor, while they tried to stabilize the enormous pile of unsold NEW ones ?!? . . . . .

                                              Just Asking,
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#70 Aug-12-2008 12:29:pm

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Some folks read a book, then get rid of it, right away.  Others buy copies on speculation, for sale at a later date.  And, some of these unscrupulous booksellers attempt to get ridiculously high profits by selling to people who don't bother to compare prices.  You can see all the different prices, for both new and used copies, by looking up this title at www.bookfinder.com

One company is now asking $268 for it!!!!!!

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#71 Sep-06-2008 10:29:am

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Folks:

The price has finally begun to drop.  You can now get this book for $79.95, at Alibris.  I'm still waiting for that $19.95 price tag!   cool

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#72 Sep-06-2008 12:02:pm

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WVIA.ORG

Erika Funke speaks to Dr. David Minderhout, author and professor of Anthropology at Bloomsburg University, and Andrea Frantz, co-author of the book, Invisible Indians: Native Americans in PA." Dr. Minderhout and Ms. Frantz will lead a discussion as part of the 3rd annual Susquehanna River Symposium Sept. 12 and 13 at Bucknell University, Lewisburg.

MP3 Interview here:

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wvia/ … aId=755697

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#73 Sep-06-2008 12:31:pm

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I can't get it to play.  Anything of interest in it?

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#74 Sep-06-2008 02:25:pm

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Hmm it took awhile to load for me. They mostly talk about powwows and all the Indians that live in Pa. Let me try to get it to load on this computer, I think you'll enjoy it. neutral

Edit to add:

Ok I got it to play on this crappy computer. Plays in Firefox and IE, it is a Quicktime format though.

Try this direct link maybe? hmm

http://stream.publicbroadcasting.net/pr … 755697.mp3

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#75 Sep-06-2008 02:32:pm

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sschkaak wrote:

Folks:

The price has finally begun to drop.  You can now get this book for $79.95, at Alibris.  I'm still waiting for that $19.95 price tag!   cool

I just noticed this today. Looks like by buying the book, you're helping someone out.

http://www.bloomu.edu/today/

Published by Cambria Press, Invisible Indians is based on three years of research, giving readers an insightful account of Native Americans in Pennsylvania. The book is available directly through Cambria's website or through Amazon.com. Royalties are going to be donated to a Native American organization. For more information or to order a book contact Minderhout at dminderh@yahoo.com. With the help of BU's Institute for Interactive Technology, Minderhout has also created a Web site, Pennsylvania's Native Americans: An Online Resource for Educators. The site features interactive maps, history, activities and quizzes.

Wonder which Native American Organization?

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