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#126 Aug-08-2014 08:55:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

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What crow is talking now?

The one saying neither Bob Ruth or Shelley DePaul is a God damn Indian. yikes


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#127 Aug-10-2014 07:50:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

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What crow is talking now?

I sincerely hope it's not the 5th and 6th crows:  http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hec … BEF3D3AD08

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#128 Aug-10-2014 11:13:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

yikes

It just may well be.

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#129 Aug-10-2014 05:52:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

lol


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#130 Aug-11-2014 10:50:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Exactly two months, now.  You know, any one of you 300+ members of the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania can post your documentation here.  You don't have to be part of the leadership.  There MUST be some members "out there" who can provide evidence of their Indian ancestry.  No?   neutral

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#131 Aug-13-2014 08:10:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

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Exactly two months, now.  You know, any one of you 300+ members of the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania can post your documentation here.  You don't have to be part of the leadership.  There MUST be some members "out there" who can provide evidence of their Indian ancestry.  No?   neutral

Guess not. yikes Ray and I even posted my stuff here. Including a census record of my grandmother. So where is Phil Rice and Uncle Don Rupture's crap. With all you writings and claims you two jokes should have at least something......and you too Chucky. yikes


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#132 Aug-22-2014 05:42:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

I think I see why we're not getting any response from LNP members.  It looks like we hold different views about what constitutes "verifiable" Lenape ancestry.  Their application form for membership states,

LENAPE ANCESTRY CHART

Please trace your direct bloodline from your Lenape Ancestor OR Ancestral name on the following chart. Begin with yourLenape Ancestor and end with yourself. Please include dates and places of birth, death, and marriage if known. If you have additional Ancestors, copy and fill out this chart for each one. You must include oral history and/or documentation as proof that this ancestor is Lenape.

Obviously, their standard of "proof" requires no more than "oral history."  Our standard is documented evidence.  While they allow "documentation," it isn't necessary.  If any of them have more than a family tradition--which is just hearsay--they're not coming forward.  It makes it impossible for us to include them among the Lenape topics.

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#133 Aug-22-2014 07:34:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Not just us, in general.

There is no response, because they have none. The oral history they have offered over the years, is a joke.

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#134 Sep-05-2014 10:10:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Over 4,000 views of this topic, now.  Undoubtedly, many people are hoping to find some scrap of evidence showing LNP members to have American Indian roots.  Thus far, nothing has been offered.  There must be a lot of disappointed readers out there.  (Count me as one.)   sad

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#135 Sep-05-2014 02:48:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

They're too busy making excuses why they don't have evidence that they are Lenape or telling people they don't have to prove anything to us.......Right Phil! yikes


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#136 Sep-08-2014 08:30:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

The Brotherton and Shamong areas are the same place, not 2 different places that they state on their history page. I lived in Chatsworth and hung out in Shamong and know 99% of the people and all of the farmers there. I still would like to know who these Brown and Still family members are that they claim. hmm

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#137 Sep-08-2014 09:39:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Somehow, I don't think they're going to tell us.

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#138 Dec-14-2014 06:41:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Instructor Shelley DePaul researches and records Lenape bloodlines and genealogical data, with particular emphasis in the geographical area of Northeast Pennsylvania, and the documentation of marriages between Lenape Natives and German Immigrants. She has developed the Lenape Language Curriculum for use in schools,  universities and home school associations.  Shelley teaches Lenape Language classes and workshops and has presented lectures and educational programs on the subject of Lenape History and Culture to schools and universities, environmental organizations, churches, historical societies and youth groups. She was a public school teacher from 1979 until 1997.]

Were still waiting.......


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#139 Jan-18-2015 08:21:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Instructor Shelley DePaul researches and records Lenape bloodlines and genealogical data, with particular emphasis in the geographical area of Northeast Pennsylvania, and the documentation of marriages between Lenape Natives and German Immigrants.

yikes  Looking for something?????


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#140 Apr-26-2015 02:15:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6ecYqkNBCU


  Ruth tells another phony story about his ancestry if you can get through his dopefiend mumbling.


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#141 Apr-26-2015 04:13:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

So, he's a descendant of Tamanend, White Eyes, Killbuck AND Red Hawk!  That's quite the royal pedigree!

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#142 May-02-2015 05:54:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Over 10,000 views, today.  Still, no answers from them.

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#143 May-03-2015 09:38:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Instructor Shelley DePaul researches and records Lenape bloodlines and genealogical data, with particular emphasis in the geographical area of Northeast Pennsylvania, and the documentation of marriages between Lenape Natives and German Immigrants.

Maybe all this data is a secret. yikes


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#144 Oct-08-2015 11:02:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Photos and comment section:
http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/20 … n-not.html


OCT
7
It Happens More Often Than Not
Since the Susan Taffe Reed issue has come up, the main question I am asked is "Sam, how often do you see educators being dishonest about who they are?"  I can tell you, more often than not, but the bad part is when these colleges and universities partake into the culture appropriation.

Pennsylvania University has been embedded with the fakes of the Pennsylvana Lenape to which they have given this group a museum exhibit and this group who claim Lenape, are nothing other than preforming culture appropriation for their own benefit.


 
"Chief Bob Redhawk Ruth exhibition co-curator, is currently serving his second term as Chief of the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania (previous term from 1998-2003; current term began in 2007). He has worked for the Lenape Nation since 1976 as Coordinator of Public Outreach, Education Coordinator, Assistant Chief, and Sub-Chief. He is founder of Red Hawk Singers, and co-founder of Red Hawk Singers and Dance Troupe. He received a B.A in Music and Music Education from Combs College of Music in Philadelphia in 1975."

From Robert "Bob" Ruth bio page Bio

Chief Bob Mexhalaniyat (Red Hawk) Ruth

Chief Bob is currently serving his second term as Chief of the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania
(previous term from 1998-2003, current term began in 2007).

He has worked for the Lenape Nation since 1976 as Coordinator of
Public Outreach, Education Coordinator, and Assistant Chief.
He is founder of the Red Hawk Singers and co-founder
of the Red Hawk Dance troupe that has traveled
the world educating about indigenous culture.

Chief Bob was involved in the historical event, the
"Rising Nation River Journey" that resulted in the
Treaty of Renewed Friendship" that was signed in 2002.

ChiefBob was co-curator of "Fulfilling a Prophecy: The Past and Present of the Lenape in Pennsylvania"
at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaelogy and Anthropology.

He is a Consulting Party with the Department of Veterans Affairs on the
Washington Crossing National Cemetary Project
and for the Federal Highway Administration
on the I-95/GIR Improvement Corridor Project.

Chief Bob is involved in the Penn Cultural Heritage Center and the
Maya Area Cultural Heritage Initiative.

He is Regional Coordinator for International Men's Day in the United States.

I was surprised of  Robert Ruth's claims to be co-founder of the Redhawk Dancers and that he linked his bio too. They are real dancers and real Native people. Here is a picture of the beautiful Redhawk Dancers who's page is here



So, I decided to have a friend send a email to the Redhawk dancers that Robert "Bob" Ruth aka "Red Hawk" and have her ask these dancers if they were co-founded by this man's claims... turns out, they have never heard of Robert "Bob" Ruth! Why does this not surprise me?

This guy has this story about a "fourth crow" that he claims is Lenape egend... but there is no such legend story, this is all made up, you can watch him tell his "story" here

"Shelley DePaul, exhibition co-curator, is the Language Director for the Lenape Nation and is one of the few people in the world who speak Lenape proficiently. She has worked for the Lenape Nation since 2005 as Genealogy Researcher, Historical Researcher, Lenape Language Specialist and Educator. She also participated in the organization of the Rising Nation River Journey and Treaty of Renewed Brotherhood of 2006. From 1979-1997 she worked as a public school teacher, and she currently works as a music instructor. Shelley DePaul received her B.S. in secondary education in 1979 from East Stroudsbourg University."

Wait, the claim is "She is one of the few people in the world who speak Lenape proficiently"?  What a heck of a claim! I guess the true Lenape people would disagree with her bold assessment.

What is WRONG with Pennsylvania University that they cannot check facts?

Will I produce the genealogy on both Bob Ruth and Shelley DePaul? No doubt about it!! It will be in a update. I have already started and cannot find any Indian in their tree, but I am sure their claim will be "the family hid out and passed for white"

How much money are these people taking away from true Native exhibits? How much Indian money have these two frauds used for their educations?

These people have dug themselves deep into the Pennsylvania University, and the University makes them appear legitimate. Is it better to have white people lie and claim to be Indian, make up fake stories about a "fourth crow"  and falsely claim it is a Lenape legend? All this is a cock and bull story, but the Pennsylvania University is helping them feed the public misinformation, and here I am, I thought educational institutions were there to educate, students should be taught facts, not fiction.

This theft needs to stop! I can only feel sorry for the granddaughter of Shelley DePaul, she is being raised with a lie, being lied to, and this child abuse.

I am going to be exposing the truth... and a lot of Pennsylvania University people have been to this blog.



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#145 Oct-09-2015 10:40:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

The comments after the blog are interesting too.


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#146 Oct-09-2015 11:28:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Suckachsinheet wrote:

The comments after the blog are interesting too.

Indeed they are.

Editing to add additional comments as they arise.

http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/20 … n-not.html

David ChamberlainOctober 8, 2015 at 3:29 PM
Get your facts straight! Bob RedHawk formed the Red Hawk Singers, not Dancers! Why don't you quit trying to make trouble with our Eastern Delaware People. I think you have some deep personal issues. No one of the Eastern Lenape/Delaware is making any money from any other tribes Culture! Our families have always been here. We do not derive recognition from any Government, we recognize ourselves.

Raymond WhritenourOctober 8, 2015 at 6:26 PM
David: Get YOUR facts straight. That article which says Ruth was a co-founder of the Red Hawk Dance troupe comes directly from the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania website! Also, this same Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania applied for and received a $15,000 grant of FEDERAL money for language preservation in 2010, based on the bogus claim that THEY had elders who still knew the language! This was money that could have gone to one of the federally-recognized Lenape tribes attempting to preserve their language.

David ChamberlainOctober 8, 2015 at 7:26 PM
It's the Red Hawk Singers Ray, not the Red Hawk Dance Troupe contacted above. I have met some of them, and they are not the Troupe pictured above. The Money was what was available to any 501 C3 organization. It took nothing away from Federal monies allotted to the Tribes! Shelley DePaul is doing a good job in preserving the language(S.Unami) to our People back here. As for bogus claims, they did have Older People who had a knowledge of Southern Unami.

_____SamOctober 9, 2015 at 10:56 AM
David, I have seen you flying your lip all over the internet over these issues, Lets face facts, your all frauds! And you obviously cannot read either, because Bob Ruth claims he is co-founder of the Redhawk Dancers and he has a link to them on his bio page! It is a blatant LIE just like the rest of your LIES!
People are sick and tired of frauds such as yourself, Robert "Bob" Ruth, along with Shelley!
While I am at it, I have already done YOUR genealogy.... wait for it, just wait... it will be blogged real soon.

Raymond WhritenourOctober 9, 2015 at 3:28 AM
You're missing the point, David. It's Ruth's biography page on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania's own website which says he co-founded the Red Hawk Dance troupe. As for the grant money: Nine of ten applicants were denied any funds, while the LNP said they had elders who still knew the language; yet, all they ever did was reproduce language materials produced by Oklahoma Delawares.

Raymond WhritenourOctober 9, 2015 at 9:43 AM
Another point, David. If, as you say, your so-called Eastern Delaware/Lenape people "recognize each other" and "do not derive recognition from any government," then why is it that the LNP, EDN, UELN and others are constantly lobbying the Pennsylvania legislature (and those of other states) for state recognition?

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#147 Oct-09-2015 11:29:am

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Directing readers to page 5 of this thread. We're still waiting for a rebuttal to the information.

http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewt … 58&p=5

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#148 Oct-09-2015 03:48:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Ongoing edits of post #146 above as comments are added.

David, David, David... looks like your lies (or delusions) don't fly on other areas of the internet either.

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#149 Oct-09-2015 06:05:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Sorry this one deserves it's own post!!! smile

http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/20 … n-not.html

David ChamberlainOctober 9, 2015 at 2:59 PM
I'll save you the trouble Sam, the Census has all listed as White. you are one of those People who just loves to start trouble. My family knows we are Native, but you'll never find it recorded. And I doubt very much that you will come up with an accurate portrayal of my genealogy. What exactly is your problem? I am no fraud, my family knows it, and those who know me closely know it.So you will be proving nothing, except to those who wish to believe your troublemaking nonsense. I've seen more lies and trouble making on your blog. You make the Woodland Indian Forum pale in comparison! I see the claim of Ruth's co-founding, but I believe there is some explanation of this error & I will wait to hear from the source. I do not know Red Hawk as a liar, I have known him for probably 30 years. You don't know as much as you think you do Sam I Am? I think we are all tired of blatant troublemakers such as yourself.

SamOctober 9, 2015 at 3:55 PM
You are totally correct! Your ancestors are ALWAYS listed in EVERY record as white... yet you claim you are Delaware Lenape? Why make your grandfathers sound like whore mongers, and your grandmothers like whores?
You are a culture vulture, preying upon the bones of ancestors who do not belong to you. Why can you not celebrate your true ancestors, why insist on trying to claim those who do not claim you?
Lies on my blog? That is why this blog is for, to produce the lies you people tell! Document the lies and to show the truth! Even you have admitted your family is not Indian, they are all white!
If people like you wouldn't be involved in appropriating Native culture, steal money that belongs to Native people, misrepresent Native people and our ancestors, there would not be a need for this blog. You people give me plenty to blog about.
Woodland Indian Forum? At this point, I am not a member there, I have read some of their postings recently, and I give them five stars up on the wonderful work they are doing! So I believe your words about me and the Woodland group is actually a compliment, and that is good.

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#150 Oct-09-2015 06:43:pm

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Re: Documentary Evidence on the Lenape Nation of Pennsylvania.

Just adding this before all this lovely mess starts going poof from the LNP website.

I'm unsure how this could be an error.

I see the claim of Ruth's co-founding, but I believe there is some explanation of this error & I will wait to hear from the source.

If you look at this screenshot (taken from http://www.lenapenation.org/Chief%20Bob … raphy.html ), while the cursor is over the link (the area I circled in red shows where this link leads you) it's quite obvious this was an intentional redirect to gain some validity.  Below link takes you directly to http://redhawkcouncil.org/redhawk-dancers/ as stated on the blog here: http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/20 … n-not.html



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